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Old 05-12-2007, 08:39 PM   #1
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Mudding Questions

Could someone give me some more information on the jeep wrangler factory lockers? Is there a in-expensive kit to be able to turn them off and on when you want to?

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Old 05-12-2007, 08:43 PM   #2
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hi and welcome to the forum...!

some TJs have an automatic limited slip rear trac-loc.

only the TJ rubicons have two manual lockers that you can turn on and of whenever you want (in 4L).

no other lockers are in stock TJs. but you can install some other lockers if you want. there are many many different lockers on the market.

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Old 05-12-2007, 08:47 PM   #3
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ok, could you point me in a direction to buy these lockers? i want to be able to turn them on when i want to... but i dont want to spen an massive amount of $$
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:49 PM   #4
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If you have a Rubicon, there is a work around on the lockers so that you can use them when ever you want, but I can't find the article that shows you how to right now.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:51 PM   #5
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here is my jeep and the front driver tire would not turn untill i got down there with a shovel...
p.s.. its a 2002

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Old 05-12-2007, 08:54 PM   #6
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that looks like a job for an Aussie Locker !
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in the front i would install a cheap automatic lunchbox locker like the powertrax lockright or the aussie locker. the aussie costs only about 230 $ and is much easier to install than a manual locker. you will not notice these automatic front lockers. only a silent clicking on the road. off the road it will be there when you need it.
manual lockers are a bit better off the road, but much more expensive (the ARB air locker costs about 900$ + an ARB compressor).
i would buy two ARBs if there would enough money. that´s why i decided to buy two aussie lockers this summer.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:59 PM   #8
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now if i purchased this locker would it always be engaged? how does it work? if it does always stay engaged would this affect my on road driving? b/c i dont take it out mudding as much as i do driving on regualr roads, but when i go mudding i want it to preform well.


and i just read this... could someone break this down into idiot terms for me??

"""Under no circumstances should the Aussie Locker be installed in the front of a full- time 4 wheel drive vehicle.
To prevent damage to the drive line no four wheel drive vehicle should be driven on the highway with the front hubs locked and the 4 wheel drive engaged. The Aussie Locker in the front differential of a 4 wheel drive vehicle (excepting full-time 4WD), properly equipped and installed, provides dramatic off road traction and very good on-highway handling. """
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:12 PM   #9
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You TJ doesn't have FULL TIME 4WD, its selectible from 2WD into 4WD, so it would be fine.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:16 PM   #10
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on the road you should not use 4H or 4L with an automatic locker. because it would lock in every courve. that would cause a very dangerous on road handling.
if you drive in 2H you will not notice the aussie. nothing will change. you will only hear a "click" from the locker in slow curves.
a friend has an aussie in the front and rear of his XJ with manual transmission. and there is no problem on the road.
only if i press the pedal a bit too much i notice that there is a locker in the rear.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:21 PM   #11
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ok so basicaly if i bought the lockers for the front and the rear i will have no problem while on the road and when im off road in 4h or low, the lockers will engage and i will have true four wheel drive.. right?


im feel soo dumb but thank you guys for baring with me!! i was doing some more reading, and i only see the front lockers... now i shouldnt have to worrie about the rear tires? just the front ones?

btw- im not sure what locker i need.. i see there is different ones to choose from for different axles... my jeep is a 2002 tj sport.... what kind of axle do i have?
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:33 PM   #13
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i see this locker, would this one work?
For Dana 30, 35 and 44 Axles as well as AMC 20, Toyota 8", 8-3/4" and IFS.

what dana do i have?
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:35 PM   #14
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in the front you have a Dana30... in the rear, you have to get under and look at it. If it has a rubber fill plug its a model 35, if its a metal fill plug its a model 44.
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thank you sooo much for your help. i realy appreciate it a lot.
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you will feel a difference w/ a locker in the rear, it may lock up on turns and you will have to either slip the clutch or power threw, i would suggest, just a front locker, becasue in my expierinece it is usually the front that spins

i would get a front one and wheel it likethtat for a while, and if you find your still getting stuck either buy a rear locker, or get a winch, personally i would go with a winch becasue it will get you out and it will not decrease the on road ability of the truck
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that´s the same way i will do it.
first a front aussie and then if i still get stuck i will buy a rear aussie. i still have a winch (it´s just ordered and will be installed before i buy the front ausssie).

an aussie in the rear is ok in my buddys XJ.
BUT:
if it´s raining or snowing you have to take care. without a locker only one wheel on the rear will spin if you push the pedal a bit too much. that´s no problem. with a locker both rear wheels will spin and then you loose control very fast.
you will get used to that in a few days. but if it´s raining i wouldn´t give a rear aussie locked jeep to a person that doesn´t have experiences with that.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:34 PM   #18
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just to jump in here with my own curiousity, having an aussie up front wouldn't affect the driving capability on road unless in 4WD. this may be a really stupid ? but it will only lock when put into 4WD correct, if you use it on the road... say... if it was snowing or really bad conditions would it be ok to use?
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:40 PM   #19
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i was told that it only locks if there is some torque at the front driveshaft (only in 4wd). so it doesn´t matter if the road is dry or slippy.
but i don´t know what will happen if you drive slowly with 4H when there is snow or ice on the road. i think that it will lock then in curves. that wil give a bigger turning radius. i wouldn´t drive very fast with 4H on the road...
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I just got done talking with my mom`s neighbor and he`s realy big into off raoding... he said he wouldnt recomend doing the front lockers without the rear lockers b/c then youll take the chance of tearing shit up ie"rear drive shaft parts"... now how much romping would you actualy have to do to tear stuff up on your rear end with just factory parts?
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i don´t worry about that. i´ve a rear d44. it´s a bit stronger than the d35.
the question is how bad the onroad handling will become with a rear aussie locker. i would also prefer to install two lockers instead of only one in the front.
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ITs real easy to tear stuff up if you got D35 and then lock it, it will be even easier it just depends how you are with the skinny peddle. If you go from brakes to wide open throttle you'll tear stuff up if you use your head you should be ok unless you got shitty luck like me and have broke spider gears all the time.
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I see no reason why the front locker will have an effect on the back diff, tons of people run their jeeps this way, and i dont see how adding a locker in the back would help at all it would probably make it worse if their was anyhthing to the myth. It may be in older cars or other types of axles or tcases.

as said above locking a D35 is not the best idea either so that is another reason not to have it in back.
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I'm lockin mine when I regear I know alot of people that do, its all about how you drive it.
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this will help you ID your axles http://coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml i noticed you got a sport so you could have the dana 44 rear. print it out and climb under there and take a peak. as for lockers you can turn on and off the ARB is king turned off it acts like your jeep now on and off road turned ON and it fully locks both wheels and they will always spin. I recommend having someone professional install these as there expensive and do require some experience putting the air lines in and what not. Quadratec.com has them and so does some other places. look for some local 4x4 clubs or shops that could direct you in the right direction. I personally am still deciding on what to use in my rearend but dont want to spend the dough for a ARB again(had a XJ with em). good luck
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from my understanding when you have just the front locker installed you have more of a risk tearing shit up in the rear b/c thier not working togeather. i guess the jeep is limited slip for a reason... so they can work with each other, but with the locker, theres a chance of tearing somthing up because the axles arent working togeather... "the best way i could explain it"

Is this right?
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nope

thats how they used to work on CJ's
now their is a slip in between front and rear axles i believe

and if not i still dont follow the logic
the locker locks the front so that torque goes to both wheels. this has nothing to do with what happens in the back,, there is the same amount of power and torque going to the front, just one tire wont spin

the logic makes no sense at all
and there are prleny of people that do it and i've never heard of anything bad happening to the back becasue of a locker in front

maybe in other cars? maybe you misundertstood him?

but i wouldnt worry

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