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Old 06-08-2011, 05:52 PM   #1
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My Jeep wont start

It was working fine then they day after it rained it wouldnt start. So far I have checked the battery which is good,checked the fuses, I tried jumping Starter Solenoid (all I heard was it winding), I put the a 20a fuse in the #20 slot underneath my dash and no luck

What else can I do?
How can I test the ignition switch and or the ignition cylinder?

I have a 04 with a manual tranny with a 4.0

Thanks in advance!!

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Old 06-08-2011, 06:42 PM   #3
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Does it click when you key it, do headlights, radio work?
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There is no click or crank. The radio and lights still work when the key is on.
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Is there any movement of the guages when you turn the key? Are you getting any codes?
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It could be a malfunction of the clutch switch.
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The gauges work and they move to the normal position. It does have a check engine light on.
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It could be a malfunction of the clutch switch.
Can't I bypass that with the fuse behind the glove box in slot 20
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Try to push start it.
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How did you check the battery? How do you know it is good?

But before doing anything else, do this... remove both battery connections and use a wire brush on both battery posts and the inside of both battery connections. Then securely reinstall the connections and get them tight enough with the connector nut that you can't move the connector. If you can't get it tight enough so you can't move it, the connector or battery post is worn and needs to be reworked so it's tight. I can tell you how to get things tight again without having to buy anything if they are too loose.

No, don't just look at the battery connections and pronounce them "good enough" because they can look fine visually but still prevent your engine from starting or cause it to stall once it is running.
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How did you check the battery? How do you know it is good?

But before doing anything else, do this... remove both battery connections and use a wire brush on both battery posts and the inside of both battery connections. Then securely reinstall the connections and get them tight enough with the connector nut that you can't move the connector. If you can't get it tight enough so you can't move it, the connector or battery post is worn and needs to be reworked so it's tight. I can tell you how to get things tight again without having to buy anything if they are too loose.

No, don't just look at the battery connections and pronounce them "good enough" because they can look fine visually but still prevent your engine from starting or cause it to stall once it is running.
The first thing I did was clean the battery and the connections but I'll do it again to make sure
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Once you get them clean, if it doesn't start still, remove the battery and have it load tested by a battery shop or auto parts store. A load test is the only way to get an accurate indication of the battery's true health.
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Once you get them clean, if it doesn't start still, remove the battery and have it load tested by a battery shop or auto parts store. A load test is the only way to get an accurate indication of the battery's true health.
I tried starting it with a booster pack and it didn't start as well, is that relevant?
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That is relevent. If your battery is bad or dead enough, it can suck so much current from the jump start battery that the Jeep can't get enough power from the jump start battery to start. And sometimes even if you get get the engine started from a jump start, the engine will die as soon as the jump start battery is disconnected. That happens if the battery can't put out the 12 volts the alternator requires to run. Some alternators run without 12v from the battery but not the alternators our Wranglers use... they require 12v from the battery to work. So if the battery is too dead to provide the 12v required by the alternator, the engine won't stay running once the jump start battery is disconnected because the alternator isn't able to produce any power.
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Can't I bypass that with the fuse behind the glove box in slot 20
That I don't know about. I have an auto. Maybe jerry or someone else with some experience with this can chime in. You should report to us what code your getting too
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That I don't know about. I have an auto. Maybe jerry or someone else with some experience with this can chime in. You should report to us what code your getting too
Jerry mentioned it on another post.

I don't have a way to pull the code at the moment sadly.
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Also it says CHECK GAUGES when i turn it on
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Jerry mentioned it on another post.

I don't have a way to pull the code at the moment sadly.
Can your 04 use the key trick to determine the code?
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If the key is on and you don't start the vehicle you will have both a CEL and check gauges lamp lit. Along with a bunch of others.

Take a test light out to the starter solenoid, small terminal, that's the one that feeds voltage to the solenoid when you turn the key to start. If you got no voltage, you have a clutch pedal switch issue or an ignition issue.

Wranglers are known for breaking the metal part at the ignition lock. Jeep will tell you it's not serviced, you can buy it aftermarket. If it fails, you will have the instrument lamps working, but the part doesn't allow the cylinder to activate the start mode.
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If the key is on and you don't start the vehicle you will have both a CEL and check gauges lamp lit. Along with a bunch of others.

Take a test light out to the starter solenoid, small terminal, that's the one that feeds voltage to the solenoid when you turn the key to start. If you got no voltage, you have a clutch pedal switch issue or an ignition issue.

Wranglers are known for breaking the metal part at the ignition lock. Jeep will tell you it's not serviced, you can buy it aftermarket. If it fails, you will have the instrument lamps working, but the part doesn't allow the cylinder to activate the start mode.
I checked with a multi meter and it had power going to the solenoid
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Twas ye olde ignition switch
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Twas ye olde ignition switch
I'm glad you found the problem.

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