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Old 08-16-2010, 08:08 AM   #31
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Former owener of 97 TJ and no owner of 2010 JK. I wave, yes all the time. However to me it seems that it is the TJ owners at times that seem arrogant and stuck up. That the JK is not a "real" Jeep. I miss my TJ I do, but my JK is better in every aspect than my TJ was. Look, I wave to them all the time TJ YJ CK JK even the 4 doors. But there are some of us and I would say a lot of us that the JK is not our first Jeep. We get it.

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Old 08-16-2010, 08:32 AM   #32
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Its sad that in our society today a wave from a stranger prompts a "Who the f* is that?" instead of a "Hi stranger".

I try to wave at all jeeps if I see them, and I'm not in the process of shifting, or changing radio stations, or petting my co-pilot (my dog), or checking myself out in the rearview mirror, or cursing some jackhole driver.

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The ambient temp here is 95-105 degrees with heat index running as high as 124-I'm rolling topless and doorless!Hard-core!
That's not hard core, drop that windshield then I'll wave to ya!
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I got sick of no return waves and I'll wave now as a "RETURN" wave

Otherwise I just wave at schoolbuses/yellow Hummers/yellow JK's--

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I've never really cared about the wave, if someone doesn't do it I don't give it a second thought. I rarely initiate the wave but I always return it.

There are different types of Jeep owners.

1) The old beat-up daily driver that some kid picked up cheap and has no interest in it other than they can drop the top. It will have factory parts, rust, bald tires, often poorly taken care of, and looks like it's on its last leg. Sometimes these folks wave, many times they don't. They're not "Jeepers", they're just daily drivers who happen to have a Jeep.

2) The new Jeep crowd (JK's). Jeep sells a ton of vehicles these days. They've really dressed them up to appeal to a broader market whereas the older Jeeps were a bit sparse and not all that "nice" for the average Joe looking to buy a daily driver and who wasn't into the "Jeep" thing. The new Jeeps have cushy interiors, GPS, bluetooth, power windows and locks, leather seats, ABS, etc. Now you have soccer moms, yuppies, and college kids buying them who are completely uninterested in the "traditions" of the design. The JK's are exceptionally capable machines (I wouldn't mind having one!) as Jeep has really done wonderful things with the suspension and driveline... but the creature comforts lure in the non-traditionalists. The "non-waivers". With this crowd you don't know what you're going to get... hardcore of daily driver... it seems more often than not they're not hardcore.

3) Then you have the hardcore Jeepers. They can be found driving anything from CJ's the JK's, but the older the Jeep the more likely they are waivers. If you see a Jeep lifted up, big tires, winch, battle damage, etc. you're probably going to get a waive regardless of the model year. I always notice lifted Jeeps and many times miss stockers. I don't do it on purpose, I've just learned over the years that in my neck of the woods that many of the non-lifted Jeeps don't have waiving owners.
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Oh brother! This topic never goes away. I am not a first waver, but I will return the wave if someone waves at me first. Who really cares anyway? If you wave then , if you don't wave then .We are all Jeepers one way or another.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:34 AM   #37
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Its sad that in our society today a wave from a stranger prompts a "Who the f* is that?" instead of a "Hi stranger".

I try to wave at all jeeps if I see them, and I'm not in the process of shifting, or changing radio stations, or petting my co-pilot (my dog), or checking myself out in the rearview mirror, or cursing some jackhole driver.
Edit : I guess the above means I rarely wave.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:09 PM   #39
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Here's my experience as a 2010 Sahara Unlimited owner. My wave back experience has really depended on where I am. Here where I live now I rarely get a wave back from anybody regardless of what year jeep they are driving. I would say I get less then 50% wave backs, so the ones I do get returned are pretty special. When I'm visiting family back in the Chicago area (Northwest suburbs) the wave back ratio climbs to 85%. Occasionaly I miss a wave as I am occupied with actually driving, and I feel bad about missing those, but that doesn't mean I'm a yuppie douche or anything. I mean, I am, but not because I missed your wave.
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I ALWAYS wave, and hell I have a stock JK sport. I was down the cape this weekend (chatham, FULL of wranglers) and I passed 23 (yes, I counted) wranglers and only got TWO wave backs. Of the 23, only 4 were 4dr JK's and the rest were TJ owners! Am I just getting no respect because I have a barebones JK?
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:28 PM   #41
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i live in sw ohio and i wave at all, all most always get a wave back from cj.yj and tj`s. jk`s wave back about 50% of the time but i really don`t care. i`m just happy to be driving my jeep, its took me 20yrs to get one. No amount of non waves is gonna bring me down from my jeep "high".
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:24 PM   #42
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Im sure this will stir the pot a little, but Im gonna do it anyways...

Why are most (<--- key word) JK drivers non-waving, jags? I pass umpteen dozens of JK's every single day I drive my TJ, and I think Ive had total of maybe five JK drivers wave back, total. Just for a test, I was out cruising yesterday and passed 11 JKs. I waved at every single one, as is customary it seems, and not one waved back. But every single CJ or YJ I pass, the drivers are all waves and smiles and thumbs-up. What gives? Do JK drivers think theyre better than the rest of us just because they have a new Jeep that cost $30K? Or are they just ignorant? New to the Jeep scene? Someone please explain this annoying, frustrating phenomonon, because I cant figure it out. To be honest, Ive simply given up waving at JK drivers, its futile. Ive heard the same thing from all my friends who drive Jeeps, too. Its not just me who's confused.
1) Were you born knowing that Jeep owners wave to each other?

2) That because the JK's more car-like interior and ride is attracting those who would never have considered a Jeep before, a high percentage of JK drivers would have no clue or knowledge about the Jeep's traditional wave between owners. No one shows up at the new owner's door to inoculate them with instant knowledge of all the various Jeep traditions and history.

3) It's not just JK drivers that don't wave.

4) Such a minor thing, waving or not waving to you, is certainly not worth ranting or worrying about.
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Around here there arent any lifted Jeeps, if they are its less than 2in. There are a few wana b HA's in lifted trucks running stacks or a straightpipe but few of those ever do anything. This is all amazing considering the fact that I live in the middle of pennsylvania, rural with trails all over the place. Sadly alot of them are getting shut down ... maybe this explains why my county has the highest suicide rate in PA. Anywaysssss, since all the jeeps are pretty much stock around here, theres no hardcore people to ignore the rest, so I just wave away at everyone and sometimes they are just happy people who love the care free open air relaxing atmostphere of driving a jeep, and dont go serious trialing, sometimes there angry old men, sometimes moms, but hey. It all good.
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It's NOT just JK drivers. Plenty of TJ's and YJ's don't give the wave either. I just have to wonder why this topic keeps getting reapeated over and over again. Just so ya know..I only wave first at modded jeeps...I will wave back to any jeep that waves at me first.
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also want to add that this jeep wave didnt really get to be so prevalent of a topic until the forum came along. my first jeep was a 79 CJ5 that I got in 1982..second was an 85 CJ 7. No forums to WHINE about nobody waving at you. It was pretty simple..you saw another bad ass modded jeep..you waved. you saw some wimpy little anemic jeep with tires that looked like they came off a bike...you DIDNT wave.
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I'll put my 2 cents in (just enough pennies to rub together) I wave at every wrangler, an I mean every. Doesn't matter the year the model. I'll even wave at parked ones if they are older than mine or lifted (pay homage to your roots). After all it's a jeep thing, not a jeep driver thing:-), plus how cool would it be standing in a store and seeing a jeeper drive by and wave at your empty jeep? oh and no one told me about the wave, just happened upon another tj, he waved at mine I being friendly waved back and haven't stopped since. The ones that wave know, the ones that don't just haven't got it yet
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And it's not just Jeep owner that wave to acknowledge the common interest. Harley Davidson bikers do the wave, Corvette owners do, old sports car owners do, pretty much any unique vehicle owners will wave at others with the same type of vehicle.

So it's not just Jeepers with that tradition. I first learned it back in the late sixties when I bought my first small open 2-seat convertible sports car.
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We own both a JK and TJ and I wave no matter which I'm driving. All I can say maybe they don't know about the wave or didn't see you because just today 2 out of 4 waved and one of the ones that waved was a JK owner. Just keep waving and enjoy the fact that you know about the wave.
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Talk to them - you'll find JK owners really wanted a Hummer but couldn't afford it. Ever wave at a Hummer? Same people.

And there's a difference between city scizzorbills and more remote owners. The citybills are just that - many don't even know what 4 wheel drive means.

We've become so used to waving at Jeeps (even Hummers to piss them off) that even when we are driving one of our vans, suburban, or even the motorhome we still wave. He He - When we do that the looks we get from Jeep owners are priceless!

He He - Twice now in parking lots I've been approached by Hummer owners when I was in one of my Jeeps. They start in criticizing me for owning a Jeep. They always say they can go places Jeeps are afraid to go! All you can do is laugh at them - which makes them madder. Inferiority complex at it's best.

It's not just the wave - if you stop by the side of the road you'll find quite a few Jeeps stop to help you. I hope you guys stop to help too when you can. I've even gone home to get my trailer to get them home. The favor always get returned somehow. It's a big family.

I was on the side of the freeway once in one of my 'vettes - broken rear spring. In the 45 minutes or so I waited for a tow truck, 11 Corvettes stopped to help. I was really impressed at the comradery.
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1) Were you born knowing that Jeep owners wave to each other?

2) That because the JK's more car-like interior and ride is attracting those who would never have considered a Jeep before, a high percentage of JK drivers would have no clue or knowledge about the Jeep's traditional wave between owners. No one shows up at the new owner's door to inoculate them with instant knowledge of all the various Jeep traditions and history.

3) It's not just JK drivers that don't wave.

4) Such a minor thing, waving or not waving to you, is certainly not worth ranting or worrying about.

1) I see where youre going, but really? Cmon.

2) Your best answer/opinion of the lot.

3) Youre right. But its the vast majority of JK drivers that dont wave, that was the whole point of my rant. Occasionally other Wrangler/CJ drivers might not wave, but theyre few and far between. But 99% of the JK owners I run across dont give you the time of day. Im just curious why that is, thats all.

4) It is minor and I hardly "worry about it", but I just find it rather odd.
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Oh brother! This topic never goes away. I am not a first waver, but I will return the wave if someone waves at me first. Who really cares anyway? If you wave then , if you don't wave then .We are all Jeepers one way or another.
Im kinda new to the site, so I apologize if this topic has been covered heavily before.
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I've never really cared about the wave, if someone doesn't do it I don't give it a second thought. I rarely initiate the wave but I always return it.

There are different types of Jeep owners.

1) The old beat-up daily driver that some kid picked up cheap and has no interest in it other than they can drop the top. It will have factory parts, rust, bald tires, often poorly taken care of, and looks like it's on its last leg. Sometimes these folks wave, many times they don't. They're not "Jeepers", they're just daily drivers who happen to have a Jeep.

2) The new Jeep crowd (JK's). Jeep sells a ton of vehicles these days. They've really dressed them up to appeal to a broader market whereas the older Jeeps were a bit sparse and not all that "nice" for the average Joe looking to buy a daily driver and who wasn't into the "Jeep" thing. The new Jeeps have cushy interiors, GPS, bluetooth, power windows and locks, leather seats, ABS, etc. Now you have soccer moms, yuppies, and college kids buying them who are completely uninterested in the "traditions" of the design. The JK's are exceptionally capable machines (I wouldn't mind having one!) as Jeep has really done wonderful things with the suspension and driveline... but the creature comforts lure in the non-traditionalists. The "non-waivers". With this crowd you don't know what you're going to get... hardcore of daily driver... it seems more often than not they're not hardcore.

3) Then you have the hardcore Jeepers. They can be found driving anything from CJ's the JK's, but the older the Jeep the more likely they are waivers. If you see a Jeep lifted up, big tires, winch, battle damage, etc. you're probably going to get a waive regardless of the model year. I always notice lifted Jeeps and many times miss stockers. I don't do it on purpose, I've just learned over the years that in my neck of the woods that many of the non-lifted Jeeps don't have waiving owners.
Best reply so far! Thanks for your honest response. I tend to agree with your post. Its almost spot-on with my observations, and I like your thoughts on the matter.

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some people like myself... fall into a pretty common category.

1.) I've always wanted a Jeep
2.) I actually prefer the TJ shape but I couldn't find a used TJ with low milleage (since this is my DD, even though I am a train commuter).

I wasn't trading in a 2009 Mitsubishi Lancer for a 2004 TJ with 60K miles and a price tag of 16+

Just goes to show you the value these things hold, I owned a Cherokee for years but I ALWAYS wanted a Wrangler. I was fortunate that my freshman year of college (2003) my parents found a great deal (family friend) on my old Cherokee. 1996 with like 80K on it for 2 grand!
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It's NOT just JK drivers. Plenty of TJ's and YJ's don't give the wave either. I just have to wonder why this topic keeps getting reapeated over and over again. Just so ya know..I only wave first at modded jeeps...I will wave back to any jeep that waves at me first.
My experience has been polar opposite of yours. TJ and YJ owners always wave and smile, give the thumbs-up. And like I stated above, Im new to the site, and I apologize if this topic has been covered to death in the past. Must mean Im not the only one to notice this phenomonon?
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Talk to them - you'll find JK owners really wanted a Hummer but couldn't afford it. Ever wave at a Hummer? Same people.

And there's a difference between city scizzorbills and more remote owners. The citybills are just that - many don't even know what 4 wheel drive means.

We've become so used to waving at Jeeps (even Hummers to piss them off) that even when we are driving one of our vans, suburban, or even the motorhome we still wave. He He - When we do that the looks we get from Jeep owners are priceless!

He He - Twice now in parking lots I've been approached by Hummer owners when I was in one of my Jeeps. They start in criticizing me for owning a Jeep. They always say they can go places Jeeps are afraid to go! All you can do is laugh at them - which makes them madder. Inferiority complex at it's best.

It's not just the wave - if you stop by the side of the road you'll find quite a few Jeeps stop to help you. I hope you guys stop to help too when you can. I've even gone home to get my trailer to get them home. The favor always get returned somehow. It's a big family.

I was on the side of the freeway once in one of my 'vettes - broken rear spring. In the 45 minutes or so I waited for a tow truck, 11 Corvettes stopped to help. I was really impressed at the comradery.
REALLY if I wanted a freaking ugly Hummer I would have bought one but we are looking forward to top and doors off and lost of 4x4 trust me as a JK owner it won't go to waste and we always wave!!!!
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REALLY if I wanted a freaking ugly Hummer I would have bought one but we are looking forward to top and doors off and lost of 4x4 trust me as a JK owner it won't go to waste and we always wave!!!!
A true Jeeper!
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And it's not just Jeep owner that wave to acknowledge the common interest. Harley Davidson bikers do the wave, Corvette owners do, old sports car owners do, pretty much any unique vehicle owners will wave at others with the same type of vehicle.

So it's not just Jeepers with that tradition. I first learned it back in the late sixties when I bought my first small open 2-seat convertible sports car.


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I have a stock 09 Rubicon and wave at every jeep I see. I too get no waves from other JK's or other wranglers. I am on my 5th jeep and with kids and a mortgage I am saving for upgrades, but in the meantime I think when people see a stock jeep and a 40ish guy driving they think I am a bandwagon jeeper! It's annoying.
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Alright, yet another Jeep Wave thread...

I say that because the Jeep wave thing is a Wrangler based concept, if you drive anything else and don't get waved at then don't get pissed
I'm hoping to join the Jeep experience myself this week - guaranteed I will always initiate/return a friendly wave, no matter my mood....

That said, my "other car" is a c6 Corvette and for some reason there is a crapload of fellow drivers waving to me

Don't really know if it's a Wrangler based concept.

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