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Old 12-07-2009, 03:02 PM   #1
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anybody else convert to natural gas?

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Why, it's less efficient, takes too long to fuel, you cannot find it readily unless your in California. Plus you better check fire codes and your homeowners insurance to see if you can park the vehicle inside your garage. Commercial vehicles cannot be brought into a building unless it meets certain fire codes.
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cleaner burning, and basically none of the carbon deposits in your engine, and it MADE sense to me when gasoline was 4.50/ gal, and lp was 2 something.
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is natural gas like using propane? I saw people jimmyrig propane tanks to use as fuel for their cars in a third world country. It was pretty unsafe since a crash could make it explode.
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I'm from Argentina and about 80% of the cars on the road are either LNG or Diesel. I pulled up to a gas station and it's was just a bunch of hoses hanging from the ceiling, it was an LNG fueling station...pretty cool.
The main reason for the LNG conversions in Argentina is that the price of gasoline at the time was over $7 per gallon and LNG was aprrox. $1.50 per gallon.
But all the cars I saw had the regulator valves and were complete kits for the conversion.
I thought it was pretty cool and when you run low on LNG, hit the toggle switch and the regular fuel pump kicks back in, so you always have a couple of gallons for back up.
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Wait doesn't Argentina have the cheapest gas prices in the world?
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Why, Commercial vehicles cannot be brought into a building unless it meets certain fire codes.

I think you would have to look far and wide to find a building that is meant to have vehicles in it that wouldn't accept LNG or propane powered vehicles as nearly 100% of the forklifts are propane powered or natural gas powered and there is not much difference between propane and LNG meant for forklifts and that meant cars and trucks.

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Wait doesn't Argentina have the cheapest gas prices in the world?
hahahaha..........nope
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that's right it's Venezuela, woops
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Are we talking Natural Gas or Propane. They are two completely different gases and are fueled completely different. Natural gas myst be compressed, up to 3,000 psi. Propane is a liquid. LNG (liquified natural gas) is carried in tanks at -260 degrees.

Based on the BBQ grill picture he is talking Propane.
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I think you would have to look far and wide to find a building that is meant to have vehicles in it that wouldn't accept LNG or propane powered vehicles as nearly 100% of the forklifts are propane powered or natural gas powered and there is not much difference between propane and LNG meant for forklifts and that meant cars and trucks.

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I think you are incorrect. Forklifts are all propane. I heve never seen a natural gas one.
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i actually assumed we're talking propane, but the op did say natural gas.
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either way, hows the safety? its compressed and I feel like its more dangerous than gasoline?
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Well, anybody familiar with the regulations for carrying an oxyacetylene setup? there's reason the caps are screwed on when transporting them, the reason is if ya knock a bottle neck off it does one of two things it either becomes a torpedo, or goes boom. And there's not really a lot of places on a Jeep to install a tank except in the open.
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:07 PM   #16
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Before I retired I worked for a naturalgas company for 28 years we had 4 small pickups converted over to run gasoline or naturalgas and we bought 1 new dedicated system GMC half ton pickup.Small trucks had their own compressors outside we could not bring them in to fuel. Took alnight to refuel them as they had to be pressuried up to 3000 pounds of pressure.All small trucks lasted maybe 2 years before they were complete junk and never did run right. The new dedicated truck ran fine couldnt tell the difference except that it took naturalgas only they had lots of problems refueling them and had some major accidents such as tanks exploding and damage to people as well when refueling at gas stations. Finaly GMC took all trucks back and gave us a new truck that ran on gasoline. Dont know if they ever got the problems straightened out or not but if a naturalgas company wont use them that should tell you something. Sorry for such a long reply.
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so how does that differ from lp, i've heard of a lot of people happy with lp converted vehicles.
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so how does that differ from lp, i've heard of a lot of people happy with lp converted vehicles.
There's a kit on the market to make your vehicle a dual-fuel vehicle with the flick of a switch. It uses Propane. Propane is pretty safe.....people have been using it for dual-fuel conversions for YEARS. I remember when my grandpa had a truck that ran on propane/gasoline back in the late 70s!! Obviously, it does require room to mount the tank somewhere in the vehicle, so a Jeep may not be the IDEAL vehicle to do this conversion on, but it definitely can be done. I'll try to remember the name of the manufacturer that makes those kits and post it later after I've watched the MNF game.
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Personally, I would not waste my money. If it was so great then why hasn't one of the big three automakers built millions of them.
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I dont buy into the safety of it. its a pressured tank thats just waiting to explode if you get rear ended badly. The only people ive ever seen use propane tanks are in the third world countries whose cars are pretty unsafe to begin with and have no safety regulations.
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Well, anybody familiar with the regulations for carrying an oxyacetylene setup? there's reason the caps are screwed on when transporting them, the reason is if ya knock a bottle neck off it does one of two things it either becomes a torpedo, or goes boom. And there's not really a lot of places on a Jeep to install a tank except in the open.
Nitrogen typically turns into a torpedo...oxygen can go either way...and acetylene typically goes KABOOM. If I remember right, if the pressure regulator on an acetylene tank lets the acetylene out at a pressure over 7psi, the acetylene is so unstable it can combust just from that.

There are quite a few propane conversions out there nowadays...just gotta find one from a legit company and not some company providing a bunch of parts to rig up a kit that is completely unsafe. I know a lot of buses run off natural gas...and there are a number of people with propane conversion kits...but the problem is mainly cost.
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Stop comparing Propane to Natural Gas. They are not the same thing. Either you are going to convert to one or the other.
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but what one is better or cheeper to do is the question. a propane tank sounds like the best idea, easy to find and store.
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On a Jeep? If you just stick to the city it may be practical, but if you do that, wouldn't a higher mileage car be better - more comfortable etc?

Off road? I can just imagine you needing to borrow a couple of gallons of LPG in Moab, on the Rubicon, or most any trail.
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Nitrogen typically turns into a torpedo...oxygen can go either way...and acetylene typically goes KABOOM.
This statment is mostly correct... how ever oxygen is NOT flamable or explosive!!.... sorry this is a pet pive for me. I worked with oxygen / LOX (liquid oxygen) for 20 years in the Navy. Oxygen is an extreem... assistant .... if you will to what ever is burning ie: oxgyen/acetylene torch, but its the acetylene that is burning, NOT the oxygen.
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??? im confused. Pure 02 as ive known it has been highly flammable, including any type of pressured gas (though i dont know about the noble/inert gases)

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its flammable isnt it???
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Nitrogen typically turns into a torpedo...oxygen can go either way...and acetylene typically goes KABOOM. If I remember right, if the pressure regulator on an acetylene tank lets the acetylene out at a pressure over 7psi, the acetylene is so unstable it can combust just from that.

There are quite a few propane conversions out there nowadays...just gotta find one from a legit company and not some company providing a bunch of parts to rig up a kit that is completely unsafe. I know a lot of buses run off natural gas...and there are a number of people with propane conversion kits...but the problem is mainly cost.
True, but if you break the regulator off a acetylene tank it will go woosh away just like Nitrogen, it will most likely be exploding as it goes, but any of them under pressure go the opposite direction the pressure is going out at.
I've seen Oxygen, Acetylene, Nitrogen, Argon, NOS, Propane, LP, and pressurized air, all in tests when you break off the screw in neck, they tend to start moving away. If you ever have any of them explode on ya, the day is done.
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Nitrogen typically turns into a torpedo...oxygen can go either way...and acetylene typically goes KABOOM. If I remember right, if the pressure regulator on an acetylene tank lets the acetylene out at a pressure over 7psi, the acetylene is so unstable it can combust just from that.
Pure acetylene becomes unstable begins to decompose at pressures above 15psi. The decomposition process produces heat. It is prone to extreme violence(boom) above 30psi.

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??? im confused. Pure 02 as ive known it has been highly flammable, including any type of pressured gas (though i dont know about the noble/inert gases)

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Oxygen is an oxidizer, that is it helps things to burn. That is why when you are trying to start your camp fire you blow on it. You helping the burning process by adding more oxygen. It IS NOT flammable, combustable or explosive by itself. Pure oxygen is dangerous in that it promotes rapid combustion, and depending on the the oxidation properties of the fuel(how well it burns) it can cause the fire and its fuel to explode but it does not explode by itself. Obviously when it is in a compressed cylinder there is the danger of it becoming a projectile but that is true of any compressed cylinder regardless of what is inside it.

Hope this clears up any confusion.
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Hrmmm...never expected this part of the conversation to take off, lol, but thanks for the info...learned a lot from it

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