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Old 03-11-2012, 08:29 PM   #1
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Need help! Bad ball joints or tie rod ends?!

I just installed new lower control arms since my old arms (stock) bushings were shot. Haven't had it aligned cuz shops are closed but I got back some DW. I thought I had solved it but going about 35 after hitting a bump I got the old vicious case of DW back. Are my ball joints and tie rid ends ok? I can't tell if the are or not. I need some help.
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Old 03-11-2012, 11:28 PM   #2
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You posted some great pics, but unfortunately it's not always easy to tell from a picture if a ball joint or a tie rod end is worn, unless they are just totally worn out. To check the tie rod ends, have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth while you go under and look at the tie rod ends. You're looking for play at the joint. To check the ball joints, jack up the front end and grab the tire on the top and the bottom and push/pull up and down to see if you can feel any play at the joint.

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Old 03-12-2012, 09:35 AM   #3
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Check the DW thread, cause usually it's not Ball Joint related.
If you experienced DW, I would check the trackbar to make sure everything is tight.

Also you said you replaced Control Arms, did you tighten them while jeep is in the air, or tighten them when Jeep is on the ground. Control Arms should be tightened when Jeep is on the ground since the vehicle weight is on it.

An easy way to check Ball Joints is to jack the front end up, and the front tires grab at the top & bottom and rock the tire back & forth, watching the ball joint to see if it moves or has any play in it.
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:18 AM   #4
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I never even raised it when replacing the lower control arms. They are all torqued to 80ft lbs. I didn't check the trac bar but that was also recently done to 60ft lbs. I'll check it today. If those arent the issue, what else can be causing it?
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from the pics looks like they could use some grease though, the Tie Rods should have a littel bulge from grease being in the boot and it doesn't look like they do.


Check the Ball joints how I mentioned to eliminate that step.

Worn tires, under inflated, not balanced properly.... any bulges in the sidewalls like if a chord was broke in the tire.

Also check thru the "DW" thread that is a sticky to see if there's other solutions in there
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:17 AM   #6
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just to check.... when you hit the bump and get DW, does the steering wheel shake back and forth visciously out of control and have to slow down to gain control.... or are you getting bump steer, where to hit a bump and just jogs over a little.

Also if you have a friend, have them turn the wheels back an forth while you watch the trackbar for movement and the tie rods/drag link as well, to see if anything looks loose or catching/binding
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I never even raised it when replacing the lower control arms. They are all torqued to 80ft lbs. I didn't check the trac bar but that was also recently done to 60ft lbs. I'll check it today. If those arent the issue, what else can be causing it?
lower control arms torque spec is 130 ft-lbs. the upper control arm torque spec is 60 ft-lbs.

the frame end torque spec for the track bar is 60 ft-lbs. but for the axle end it's 40 ft-lbs...too much more and the threads will distort and the bolt will break...

I prefer a Class 12.9 socket head cap screw with welded on reinforcement for the axle end, it'll take more torque.
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just to check.... when you hit the bump and get DW, does the steering wheel shake back and forth visciously out of control and have to slow down to gain control.... or are you getting bump steer, where to hit a bump and just jogs over a little.

Also if you have a friend, have them turn the wheels back an forth while you watch the trackbar for movement and the tie rods/drag link as well, to see if anything looks loose or catching/binding
When I hit a bump the steering wheel will go viciously back and forth causing me to grab it with two hands and slow down to gain control and stop the wobble.
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Where are you getting the torque specs from? I will go and tighten them later today and see if it makes a difference. It was riding fine all day and at 80 mph.
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Where are you getting the torque specs from?
a 2004 Jeep factory service manual (you never told us what year you have). where are you getting your specs from?
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I have an 06. A shop called Extreme Vehicle Builders. I just looked it up on


http://www.nopavement.com/wp_np/?page_id=144

And they're almost the same specs.
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I have an 06. A shop called Extreme Vehicle Builders. I just looked it up on


Torque Specs | www.nopavement.com

And they're almost the same specs.
a few of those are inaccurate....
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Of course nothing is ever correct. This battle is never going to end. What about these?

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/lo...-specs-577784/

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