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Old 01-13-2013, 06:46 PM   #1
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Howdy y'all. Haven't been on here in a while since my YJ got totaled. But I bought myself a Christmas present when I got home from tech school. An 02 X with 54,000 miles, 4.0 5 speed. Looks mint inside and out. Got a deal on it too being on the beach in Florida. It's all stock except for wheels, tires and a badass aftermarket stereo system. Looks clean and professional as far as the install goes. Anyway, I've been trying to research as much as possible, but I need to be turned in the right direction.

I want a suspension setup for high speed trails, Mild crawling and mud. I don't want to be rock crawling and flip it. I just want to be able to climb up out of a trail and over a few logs and what not. Any of y'all that knows about the Eglin AFB reservation knows the terrain I'll be dealing with. And I need road manners because this is my DD until I get my truck rebuilt then it'll be driven about half/half.

Tell me the type of system I need to be looking at, short arm, long arm, etc.

I can't decide what size tire I want either. A jeep on 33's is pretty much all around great from what I've seen. And stepping up to 35's is where serious money starts coming into play. Any help is appreciated.

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Tire size based on what yoiu want to do with your Jeep is the first decision and yes 33s pretty much give you what you need on the Eglin reservation and the surrounding areas. 33s will also get you just enough lift and reatain some raod manners. To fit 33s on my YJ a 4" lift was the asnwer. So for your model look for Rubicon express or Old Man EMU. May check on your model page and see what they all have as popular brand.

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I appreciate the reply, but about two questions were answered. Ideal tire size and road manners. What TYPE of lift do I need?? Just a spring lift. Short arm, long arm, crawler lift with a 3 link rear? Idk. I see all these different lifts and don't quite know what each one does. And the limits of each.
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Any lift will work. I got the Zone 4.25 combo mainly for the price and have 33s. I drive pretty fast when the dirt allows. Me and my friends like to drift. I've jumped it too with this suspension. It's stiff but will last forever.
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Any lift will work. I got the Zone 4.25 combo mainly for the price and have 33s. I drive pretty fast when the dirt allows. Me and my friends like to drift. I've jumped it too with this suspension. It's stiff but will last forever.
How stiff? Stiffer than stock??? What if I buy a simple lift now and want to upgrade to long arms in the future?? Possible without wasting a bunch of money?? I hear things about vibrations and all that, what else do I need to do when I lift. And with the 1.25" body lift can I tummy tuck with the MML and all that jazz?
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How stiff? Stiffer than stock??? What if I buy a simple lift now and want to upgrade to long arms in the future?? Possible without wasting a bunch of money?? I hear things about vibrations and all that, what else do I need to do when I lift. And with the 1.25" body lift can I tummy tuck with the MML and all that jazz?
You'll be able to tummy tuck with the MML and BL. And that stuff can stay on if you upgrade to a long arm kit. It's pretty stiff. They offer a nitro and hydro version of their shock. The hydro one will be softer but they say hydros don't last as long. I got nitros. The hydros might be perfect for you since you'll want to upgrade in maybe a couple years?

When you do your long arm kit you'll need to get a new driveshaft and SYE which will be around 500 for both. (Not necessary for the zone 4.25)

Depending on how big your tires will be you'll need to get a new rear axel. Anything over 33" tires and the rear dana 35 cannot take the abuse. over 35" And youll want to replace the front axel as well.

Lastly, if you get Big tires youll need to regear your axels to regain your jeep's power. That's a grand.
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I know all about the axle problems and regearing and stuff. I'm just new to jeeps. Ask me anything you want about any type of lift for any ford truck and I can answer you. Haha. I'm trying to learn all the jeep specific stuff. That all helps a lot. Would I be able to lift, then upgrade axles and keep the lift?? I know the rubicon has a 44 rear. But what if I want say, Dana 60's??
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Keep it simple and cost effective for the 33's. You will hardly find any complaints with an OME lift. Try DPG offroad, they are quite knowledgeable on the lift that will suit your needs. OME is one of the nicest riding lift, much improved over stock. For 33's, you can go with a 2.5" suspension lift, coupled with a 1.25"BL and MML. You should be fine with your current axle with a 4.0 and can always upgrade later or even regear if needed. Going higher than 3" SL, it will start getting costly with SYE, DS, etc...
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Keep it simple and cost effective for the 33's. You will hardly find any complaints with an OME lift. Try DPG offroad, they are quite knowledgeable on the lift that will suit your needs. OME is one of the nicest riding lift, much improved over stock. For 33's, you can go with a 2.5" suspension lift, coupled with a 1.25"BL and MML. You should be fine with your current axle with a 4.0 and can always upgrade later or even regear if needed. Going higher than 3" SL, it will start getting costly with SYE, DS, etc...
This helps a lot. So basically just get it where I want it until I am ready for big upgrades. Cut my losses and redo it. Your post helped a lot. Thank you. I know there's about 8,000 different lift companies for jeeps.

With the lift you mentioned, what will my flex be like?? A lot like stock? And do these companies offer a sway bar quick disconnect?
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Just relying on this thread to educate you will give you pretty disappointing results.

Read through some of the larger (sort by views and replies) builds in this section: Jeep Builds - JeepForum.com

If you really want to get into the fun stuff: Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups and Swaps thread - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

This is a good thread on suspension: Suspension Geometry - JeepForum.com

That should help you learn. I'd recommend that you get out of the "lift kit" mindset ASAP and view suspension as a system of components that work together. There's a lot more to suspension than the height of the springs, hence "lift kit" means nothing of value.
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I was just giving the OP an option. I know there are many other companies and combination/costs that he can go with. DPG offroad seems to be an informative co that can direct him in the right direction. I know i'm biased towards OME but so are many others who are quite happy with their OME lifts.
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Just relying on this thread to educate you will give you pretty disappointing results.

Read through some of the larger (sort by views and replies) builds in this section: Jeep Builds - JeepForum.com

If you really want to get into the fun stuff: Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups and Swaps thread - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

This is a good thread on suspension: Suspension Geometry - JeepForum.com

That should help you learn. I'd recommend that you get out of the "lift kit" mindset ASAP and view suspension as a system of components that work together. There's a lot more to suspension than the height of the springs, hence "lift kit" means nothing of value.
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I was just giving the OP an option. I know there are many other companies and combination/costs that he can go with. DPG offroad seems to be an informative co that can direct him in the right direction. I know i'm biased towards OME but so are many others who are quite happy with their OME lifts.
I've got absolutely no issue with OME parts. Their springs are fantastic and their shocks ride well. I don't care for the packages DPG offers because I don't care for JKS control arms or sway bar links. There are better ways to address a TJ's suspension and if the OP educates himself, he won't need Dirk @ DPG to package up parts for him. He'll be able to do that himself.
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Just relying on this thread to educate you will give you pretty disappointing results.

Read through some of the larger (sort by views and replies) builds in this section: Jeep Builds - JeepForum.com

If you really want to get into the fun stuff: Ultimate Wrangler Build Ups and Swaps thread - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

This is a good thread on suspension: Suspension Geometry - JeepForum.com

That should help you learn. I'd recommend that you get out of the "lift kit" mindset ASAP and view suspension as a system of components that work together. There's a lot more to suspension than the height of the springs, hence "lift kit" means nothing of value.
I understand this. I understand exactly how a suspension functions. It's my best subject when it comes to mechanics, in my mind its the simplest. I say lift kit, it's easier, my truck will have a frankenlift. Completely outsourced parts that I found for myself. I'm using this thread to figure out what I need to research. Which it is doing just that and I appreciate it! And pirate. I've heard horror stories from there.
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All these are great! Thanks. The offroad tips, eh. I've been offroad for 2.5 years now. Haven't done the whole rock climbing thing yet, don't think I want to. Definitely want to make it out to MOAB within the next couple of years.
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All these are great! Thanks. The offroad tips, eh. I've been offroad for 2.5 years now. Haven't done the whole rock climbing thing yet, don't think I want to. Definitely want to make it out to MOAB within the next couple of years.
Moab is all rock

and to the OP pirate is a hardcore site with the best hardcore tech section catered to Jeeps. Just dont be a noob or an idiot and no one will threaten you with your life
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and to the OP pirate is a hardcore site with the best hardcore tech section catered to Jeeps. Just dont be a noob or an idiot and no one will threaten you with your life
Yeah I have seen documentaries, TV shows and hours of YouTube all about MOAB. I really just want to make it one of those week long excursions out there. Someday, someday. For now, a summer camping trip on the Eglin AFB reservation will have to do just fine. This forum is great help already. They helped what they could with my YJ for the whole 12 days I had it. Hopefully this TJ serves me well for as long as I want it to.
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I know the Dana 30/35 combo is weak for larger tires. What's a good axle swap I could do?? I know an 8.8 from an explorer will give me disc brakes too right?? What about the front.


Say I want to run largest of 37's. what would I need for that?
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I know the Dana 30/35 combo is weak for larger tires. What's a good axle swap I could do?? I know an 8.8 from an explorer will give me disc brakes too right?? What about the front.

Say I want to run largest of 37's. what would I need for that?
8.8 would be okay. Strengthen the dana 30 up front. New shafts
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I know the Dana 30/35 combo is weak for larger tires. What's a good axle swap I could do?? I know an 8.8 from an explorer will give me disc brakes too right?? What about the front.

Say I want to run largest of 37's. what would I need for that?
An they say the 8.8 differential covers pretty flimsy
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An they say the 8.8 differential covers pretty flimsy
I'd weld up a new heavy duty one.

So the front 30 is strong enough. Alrighty.
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Is the dana 30 up front strong enough to run 35's with no problems?
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Is the dana 30 up front strong enough to run 35's with no problems?
Yep. Some people switch out the shafts to stronger ones though. Up to you.

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