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Old 05-30-2013, 08:38 AM   #1
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Need help with Marine Customization

Hello, all! This is my first post so be patient with me. Here's my dillema:

I currently have a TJ (obviously since I'm posting here) and am trying to find the proper audio equipment to satisfy my needs. I am looking for marine audio items. I am thinking of going with the following items:

Kenwood KMR-550U radio
KICKER 10ZXM700.5 700W 5-Channel Marine Boat Amp
Kicker DS460 front panel speakers (Not marine specifically but weather resistant)

I ask because I took it mudding for the first time on Saturday and needed to wash it off on the inside (bedliner inside and out for easy cleaning) but debated whether or not I was about to screw up everything on the inside so I kinda just wiped down the majority of the inside.

I need to find something to replace the soundbar I bought from Quadratec (VDP system which has kinda crapped out) whether it be a few bullet speakers (like on my brother's Polaris Rzr or a new soundbar all together. I also would like a sub, probably just an 8" or a 10", of course marine. If this is the wrong location for this post, please tell me and I will correct it. Any suggestions on where to look or what to look for are greatly appreciated!

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Old 05-30-2013, 08:48 AM   #2
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Hello, all! This is my first post so be patient with me. Here's my dillema:

I currently have a TJ (obviously since I'm posting here) and am trying to find the proper audio equipment to satisfy my needs. I am looking for marine audio items. I am thinking of going with the following items:

Kenwood KMR-550U radio
KICKER 10ZXM700.5 700W 5-Channel Marine Boat Amp
Kicker DS460 front panel speakers (Not marine specifically but weather resistant)

I ask because I took it mudding for the first time on Saturday and needed to wash it off on the inside (bedliner inside and out for easy cleaning) but debated whether or not I was about to screw up everything on the inside so I kinda just wiped down the majority of the inside.

I need to find something to replace the soundbar I bought from Quadratec (VDP system which has kinda crapped out) whether it be a few bullet speakers (like on my brother's Polaris Rzr or a new soundbar all together. I also would like a sub, probably just an 8" or a 10", of course marine. If this is the wrong location for this post, please tell me and I will correct it. Any suggestions on where to look or what to look for are greatly appreciated!

Pics attached are related: Before and after the mudding.
Polk audio are marine grade if u want to consider them I have them in my sound bar and dash sound awesome

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Awesome! What site did you get your stuff from? Also, is your soundbar stock?
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:08 AM   #4
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I would suggest checking out a boat shop if you have one around. They usually have some audio equipment hanging around so you can at least compare some features and such.

As far as the head units go, I wouldn't spend the extra money on marine grade. I got one for my sisters boat a while back, panasonic i think, and that thing failed in a few months. They still have the same circuit boards inside and are still susceptible to water damage.

The speakers however are different and worth the extra expense. Good ones have nylon cones, rubber surrounds, aluminum frames. Things of this nature that are corrosion resistant.

I just put a pair of (marine) Crossfire Audio 6x9's in that boat and those things sounded amazing. I don't know if that company is still around but they made some awesome stuff. Those 6x9's would have been more than enough to fill up a jeep with sound, not the deep bass you would get from a sub, but an amazing difference over factory stuff.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:15 AM   #5
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As far as the head units go, I wouldn't spend the extra money on marine grade. I got one for my sisters boat a while back, panasonic i think, and that thing failed in a few months. They still have the same circuit boards inside and are still susceptible to water damage.

Thanks for your reply! And really? Hmm... Didn't know that. So what about just a regular unit with the same pricing (for upgraded quality) and one of the plastic covers that come with most marine radios?
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:24 AM   #6
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Hello, all! This is my first post so be patient with me. Here's my dillema:

I currently have a TJ (obviously since I'm posting here) and am trying to find the proper audio equipment to satisfy my needs. I am looking for marine audio items. I am thinking of going with the following items:

Kenwood KMR-550U radio
KICKER 10ZXM700.5 700W 5-Channel Marine Boat Amp
Kicker DS460 front panel speakers (Not marine specifically but weather resistant)

I ask because I took it mudding for the first time on Saturday and needed to wash it off on the inside (bedliner inside and out for easy cleaning) but debated whether or not I was about to screw up everything on the inside so I kinda just wiped down the majority of the inside.

I need to find something to replace the soundbar I bought from Quadratec (VDP system which has kinda crapped out) whether it be a few bullet speakers (like on my brother's Polaris Rzr or a new soundbar all together. I also would like a sub, probably just an 8" or a 10", of course marine. If this is the wrong location for this post, please tell me and I will correct it. Any suggestions on where to look or what to look for are greatly appreciated!

Pics attached are related: Before and after the mudding.
Biggest question is anything getting direct contact with water; that's the HUGE difference in EVERYTHING rated as "Marine".....trust me, people who think "Marine" means waterproof always buy more than one head unit (worked at marinas from 14 all the way through the maritime academy I graduated from....seen it all! hahaha). The unit you listed is NOT, I repeat NOT, waterproof like a Jensen Marine; it's water resistant.

Marine units are usually only have features like a different cage, coated internals, better anti-skip function, and a more rugged interface; not waterproof features. Most of the time the internals and boards of the electronics have an additional coating on them to make them less susceptible to water damage from moisture, not direct contact. Spray water into a marine unit and you will still end up with a paperweight with MOST head units. The problem with some of the head units are the openings like the buttons, faceplates, and especially CD slots. Keep the head unit dry and you can do whatever you want. The same concept goes for the amps; anything with a control board is not going to like any direct contact. They do make waterproof units but they will specifically list them as waterproof, carry a warranty for it, and be priced accordingly.

Marine speakers and subs are pretty durable to moisture as there's no real power going through them and the additional coatings they have protect the voicecoils and cones; any speakers you go with will be fine. Most of them are designed to be mounted "open air" like in the console of a boat; as opposed to the pods which are sealed enclosures. The surrounds are typically a stronger rubber to keep as much water out as possible in an open air mount and seal off the enclosure in a pod. You can mount marine speakers in the soundbar as well; if will just give the speaker itself a bit more protection.

The cheapest way to go is get the marine radio but mount it in a marine water resistant enclosure; much like you'd see in a center console boat. That way, the radio is moisture resistant and you're keeping it away from direct spray the best you can. You might have to modify the dash if you want it there, but one of the enclosures will fit right in a TJ center console. Even cheaper would be to completely seal off the console and mount all the electronics with control boards (HU and amp) in there.

Really want to ramp things up? Seal the console off the best you can like above, mount the sensitive stuff in there and buy a repeater panel (most marine units have extension plugs for them). The marine repeaters are just control panels for the hidden head unit; they are about 99% water proof, most can even be submerged. This puts the head unit in a water proof location and the controls for it out in the open and you can spray water right on them. The repeater can be mounted anywhere; the unit for your stereo choice is a KCA-RC3MR.

Hope all of it makes sense; I'd hate to see it not work out for you the way you hoped it would.
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Biggest question is anything getting direct contact with water; that's the HUGE difference in EVERYTHING rated as "Marine".....trust me, people who think "Marine" means waterproof always buy more than one head unit (worked at marinas from 14 all the way through the maritime academy I graduated from....seen it all! hahaha). The unit you listed is NOT, I repeat NOT, waterproof like a Jensen Marine; it's water resistant.

Marine units are usually only have features like a different cage, coated internals, better anti-skip function, and a more rugged interface; not waterproof features. Most of the time the internals and boards of the electronics have an additional coating on them to make them less susceptible to water damage from moisture, not direct contact. Spray water into a marine unit and you will still end up with a paperweight with MOST head units. The problem with some of the head units are the openings like the buttons, faceplates, and especially CD slots. Keep the head unit dry and you can do whatever you want. The same concept goes for the amps; anything with a control board is not going to like any direct contact. They do make waterproof units but they will specifically list them as waterproof, carry a warranty for it, and be priced accordingly.

Marine speakers and subs are pretty durable to moisture as there's no real power going through them and the additional coatings they have protect the voicecoils and cones; any speakers you go with will be fine. Most of them are designed to be mounted "open air" like in the console of a boat; as opposed to the pods which are sealed enclosures. The surrounds are typically a stronger rubber to keep as much water out as possible in an open air mount and seal off the enclosure in a pod. You can mount marine speakers in the soundbar as well; if will just give the speaker itself a bit more protection.

The cheapest way to go is get the marine radio but mount it in a marine water resistant enclosure; much like you'd see in a center console boat. That way, the radio is moisture resistant and you're keeping it away from direct spray the best you can. You might have to modify the dash if you want it there, but one of the enclosures will fit right in a TJ center console. Even cheaper would be to completely seal off the console and mount all the electronics with control boards (HU and amp) in there.

Really want to ramp things up? Seal the console off the best you can like above, mount the sensitive stuff in there and buy a repeater panel (most marine units have extension plugs for them). The marine repeaters are just control panels for the hidden head unit; they are about 99% water proof, most can even be submerged. This puts the head unit in a water proof location and the controls for it out in the open and you can spray water right on them. The repeater can be mounted anywhere; the unit for your stereo choice is a KCA-RC3MR.

Hope all of it makes sense; I'd hate to see it not work out for you the way you hoped it would.

Thanks for the in-depth answer I was looking for! I'm going to do a little bit more research after my meeting today. I really appreciate it. I have one question tho, the repeater unit you mentioned, a quick google search turned up nothing on that number. Where can i find it?

Edit: eBay!
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Thanks for the in-depth answer I was looking for! I'm going to do a little bit more research after my meeting today. I really appreciate it. I have one question tho, the repeater unit you mentioned, a quick google search turned up nothing on that number. Where can i find it?

Edit: eBay!
Yowza! 90 bucks! Funny how it doesn't come up on google except for here...hahaha.

Good luck man!
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I pulled it up in the office and I'm on my phone now so I can't see exactly which one but I'm pretty sure you left out a letter in the part number, that's what I found atleast. Now I'm not partial to that radio, so my question is this: do all radios come with he option to hook up that type of remote?
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Not all radios have the same kind of connections on them. You will have to find out what kind of cable it uses.
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Awesome! What site did you get your stuff from? Also, is your soundbar stock?
I bought all of mine off of amazon and have 6 1/2s in the sound bar 5 1/4s in the dash stock sound bar and u have to get adapters for the dash
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I have put many systems in boats. wet sounds are the best of the best....but stupid expensive. Other than that clarion and jl are the next step down. Ebay and Amazon are the best places to find then at a good price.
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Thanks for all of the input, guys. It's greatly appreciated!
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I pulled it up in the office and I'm on my phone now so I can't see exactly which one but I'm pretty sure you left out a letter in the part number, that's what I found atleast. Now I'm not partial to that radio, so my question is this: do all radios come with he option to hook up that type of remote?
You could be right, it doesn't come up in google; just got it off the manu web site.

Most "marine" head units after about 2005 will come with connections for wired remotes (sorry, I've always called them repeaters, that's what the people who taught me called them).

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