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Old 12-29-2006, 07:38 PM   #1
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I think Im going to trade in my Ford Ranger for a New 2006 Wrangler SE 4 cyl. (This weekend) Ive been reading this forum about the 4cyl. Heard some good and bad. . So I decided to go to the sorce. What do all of you Wrangler owners think about the 4cyl. wrangler. Is this 4 banger a ticking time-bomb, or is it a good,reliable little power plant??? Thanks for any and all info.

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I own a 2001 4 cyl auto. The Jeep has 52k mi and so far has been very reliable. A few things I didn't know when I got mine:

1)Don't let 4 cyl. fool you...gas mileage still sucks.
2)Mine is a daily driver, which includes some interstate hi-way...start going up the hill at 65, and you'll top it at 55.

I'm not sure how it'll do on rocks, etc. I've mine in some fairly gnarly mud on the high lines on my deer lease and performed okay.

Other than what I mentioned above, I can't complain.

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IMHO, if you live in the flatlands... like Iowa or Kansas the 4 cyl would be ok..

I live in the mountains so both my hEEps are the 4.0L with the handshaker transmissions..
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I had a '99 4 cyl I put 60,000 miles on and this past summer I bought a 2000 with 56,000 miles on it and it runs fine. You can't go wrong buying either the 4 or 6 cylinder but you may want more power later. Doesn't bother me either way, I didn't buy it to go fast and I can run the same trails buddies with the 6 cyl wranglers run. Go for it.
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If you can, get a 6cyl....... but if not, you can always put a chevy small block in their later.
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Old 12-29-2006, 08:54 PM   #6
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I'll tell you a story. Five months ago, I was walking into dealerships looking for a Wrangler. Against the efforts of the salepeople who were shooing me over to the 6 cyclinder Wranglers -- I ASKED for a 4 banger.

I drove the 4 and now own a 6 -- it was dumb luck that I found a 6 and it was a good deal. Again: i didn't LOOK for a 6. I wanted the 4, but now have a 6. Here's what i learned (and I will amplify and confirm ALL of the comments already posted -- these forum members know their stuff!)

FUEL ECONOMY

A 4 cyclinder will not necessarily improve fuel economy. Nominally, it will burn less fuel, but the problem is that your foot will be into the car more to pass, accelerate and hold speed. Do NOT buy a 4 cylinder for signifcant fuel savings.

Caveat: If you are a driver that is good with energy management and you can drive without excessive amounts of acceleration, the 4 CAN be significantly more fuel efficient. Decide based on your driving style and as another poster mentioned the terrain (and traffic environment).

I wanted the 4 cylcinder mistakedly believing that I'd have a 20 MPH Jeep. HA!

PERFORMANCE

You shouldn't be driving a Wrangler if you need to pass BMWs with the proper amount of disdain.

I have heard many people push me toward the 6 cyclinder because they claim the 4 cylinder is too slow. Hogwash. The 6 cylinder is also a relatively slow truck. I don't WANT to drive my Jeep beyond 70 MPH. I pass using timing manuevers and patience. The ride in a Jeep is so unlike any other car, it just doesn't cry out for it to be driven like that. For performance a 4 is just fine. Read: Don't NOT buy a 4 cylinder because you think you'll want better passing performance, especially if you find a Jeep that's a good deal with a good body. Caveat: If your other car lays down stripes and you're a fast driver -- go for the 6 cylinder -- or get an older 8 banger Jeep -- better still, a different car altogether because IMHO, if you drive fast in a Jeep, you're missing the point.

MAINTENANCE

The four banger seems like a much better choice. Much more room to get to things, fewer cylinders -- overall should be cheaper -- my data on that is limited though. IF you drive with the 4 cyclinder under more stress because your foot it into it more, it stands to reason that it will not hold up as well.

OTHER

I looked for Wranglers for YEARS before I bought my TJ. I have been amazed at how well the value of Wranglers stays up. I once did a study and concluded that the resale value of a Jeep Wrangler outperforms that of the BMW. In my experience, the 4cylinder out to cost you less -- that's another factor.

I could continue on -- my main message here is this: Unless you're a fast driver you'll be happy with either one. Don't let anyone "put you into the sales cycle" for a 6 cylinder. The added power can be useful, but it comes with a higher price, upkeep (I think but don't know), and in any case even with the 6 cylinder, I'm not even close to doing what I can do with my 1970 Mustang. Look at the WHOLE Jeep. Take a 4 banger with no rust, great top and good price over a 6 banger without the same goodies.

And if you must buy a run down 4, remember: You're still driving the ultimate car.

(You know -- i bought my Jeep in the fall -- I love it this much and I haven't even had a chance to drive it with the top down. If it's this fun in the winter, I can't imagine what summer will be like! )
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oh, Siggie.........

wait till you have the top down & the doors off.....you'll fall in love all over again
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oh, Siggie.........

wait till you have the top down & the doors off.....you'll fall in love all over again
This is why it's good to have a screen name because I'd be too embarrassed to say this otherwise -- the thought of driving with the top down to a summer aishow..... (now don't laugh!)... I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning.

It's wierd. It's the ride, the way the Jeep handles, feeling the uneveness of the road -- and the idea of riding with my face in the wind and a summer sun -- the smells, the noise -- I can't wait.

With all of the cars I've owned, with the possible exception of a Porsche 914, I have never owned a car that makes me want to just jump in and drive just for the sake of driving. I'm not a materialistic person, but this is one neat toy.

That's it -- I'm going to go grab a glass of Chardonnay. I must be tripping.... LOL!
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You don't have to be embarrassed to say that, Siggy. This is a jeep board. We all know how much fun jeeps are.
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IMHO, if you live in the flatlands... like Iowa or Kansas the 4 cyl would be ok..

I live in the mountains so both my hEEps are the 4.0L with the handshaker transmissions..
WRONG! Had a 4 cylinder and I live in KS. It was still horrible.
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I personally wanted the 6 cylinder because i hate 4s. From all the 4banger cars i've owned and been in they had idle issues. Since the mpg isnt such a big improvement 4vs6 i would get the bigger powerplant. The only reason i would buy a 4 is if i have an future plans of swapping a 6 or an +8 in it.

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With all of the cars I've owned, with the possible exception of a Porsche 914, I have never owned a car that makes me want to just jump in and drive just for the sake of driving.
In that case you should test drive a Miata. I had a 96 5speed and i fell in love with that car. I've had people make fun of me.. oh you are a guy that drives a chick car blah bla bla.. well so far any one that i've raced on a autocross had their jaw dragging on the floor afterwards. Its fun, you feel the road, it simply makes you want to wake up at 3 in the night and go for a drive around the block.
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Old 12-30-2006, 05:02 AM   #12
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The 06 has a bit more HP than some of the earlier models so that might help a bit. I never owned by have test drove a few 4bangers. The 5spd, and I would think the 6spd are a much better match vs the auto. The one auto I drove, I pulled into traffic and thought, geez ist he parking brake on? Thus, I have only owned 6's.
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Old 12-30-2006, 01:57 PM   #13
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I personally wanted the 6 cylinder because i hate 4s. From all the 4banger cars i've owned and been in they had idle issues. Since the mpg isnt such a big improvement 4vs6 i would get the bigger powerplant. The only reason i would buy a 4 is if i have an future plans of swapping a 6 or an +8 in it.



In that case you should test drive a Miata. I had a 96 5speed and i fell in love with that car. I've had people make fun of me.. oh you are a guy that drives a chick car blah bla bla.. well so far any one that i've raced on a autocross had their jaw dragging on the floor afterwards. Its fun, you feel the road, it simply makes you want to wake up at 3 in the night and go for a drive around the block.
That's too cooincidental -- the Miata was one of the cars I looked into before buying my TJ. I saw 5 of them, then checked out the new Miatas. You're 100% on the money. That's a great car.
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Old 12-30-2006, 02:59 PM   #14
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I agree with Clifford, just because the terrain is flat, does not mean that you won't have 40mph winds to battle. Flat land can be unmerciful, with head, or side winds. I would not want to drive my brick, (aerodynamically speaking) without at least a 6 cylinder under the hood.
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Old 12-30-2006, 05:45 PM   #15
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it is a thrill to drive a four banger! I have been on road trips to ark, tenn , geo, NC, and am fixxing to cross tx to roswell NM. a four banger is a thinkingmans engine. nothing like looking at the road ahead and planning your attack whether it is a hill or a semi! also my cruisin speed is 75 to 85. the trans is a 6 speed. 05 wrangler SE stock
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:18 PM   #16
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Thankyou for everones input. After reading all the comments, I decided not to trade in my 4.0 V6 Ranger on the 2.4 banger Wrangler SE. I drove a 4 banger manual Toyota Tacoma and hated every second of it. The only reason I almost went this this Brand new 06 Wrangler SE 4 banger was the price. $15700.00 for a new Jeep sounded really good to me. I think I'll hold off a year or so save some $ and look at the Jk with the standard V6.........
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Thankyou for everones input. After reading all the comments, I decided not to trade in my 4.0 V6 Ranger on the 2.4 banger Wrangler SE. I drove a 4 banger manual Toyota Tacoma and hated every second of it. The only reason I almost went this this Brand new 06 Wrangler SE 4 banger was the price. $15700.00 for a new Jeep sounded really good to me. I think I'll hold off a year or so save some $ and look at the Jk with the standard V6.........
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I have averaged somewhere around 20 mpg since I bought my SE new. Lifted it three inches, put on 32's, and lived through a variety of soft-top configurations... still averages about 20 mpg.

The only time it feels anemic, is when the ac runs non-stop in the summertime. Off-road, it surprises everyone who thinks a stock four-banger is useless on the trail.
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I'll tell you a story. Five months ago, I was walking into dealerships looking for a Wrangler. Against the efforts of the salepeople who were shooing me over to the 6 cyclinder Wranglers -- I ASKED for a 4 banger.

I drove the 4 and now own a 6 -- it was dumb luck that I found a 6 and it was a good deal. Again: i didn't LOOK for a 6. I wanted the 4, but now have a 6. Here's what i learned (and I will amplify and confirm ALL of the comments already posted -- these forum members know their stuff!)

FUEL ECONOMY

A 4 cyclinder will not necessarily improve fuel economy. Nominally, it will burn less fuel, but the problem is that your foot will be into the car more to pass, accelerate and hold speed. Do NOT buy a 4 cylinder for signifcant fuel savings.

Caveat: If you are a driver that is good with energy management and you can drive without excessive amounts of acceleration, the 4 CAN be significantly more fuel efficient. Decide based on your driving style and as another poster mentioned the terrain (and traffic environment).

I wanted the 4 cylcinder mistakedly believing that I'd have a 20 MPH Jeep. HA!

PERFORMANCE

You shouldn't be driving a Wrangler if you need to pass BMWs with the proper amount of disdain.

I have heard many people push me toward the 6 cyclinder because they claim the 4 cylinder is too slow. Hogwash. The 6 cylinder is also a relatively slow truck. I don't WANT to drive my Jeep beyond 70 MPH. I pass using timing manuevers and patience. The ride in a Jeep is so unlike any other car, it just doesn't cry out for it to be driven like that. For performance a 4 is just fine. Read: Don't NOT buy a 4 cylinder because you think you'll want better passing performance, especially if you find a Jeep that's a good deal with a good body. Caveat: If your other car lays down stripes and you're a fast driver -- go for the 6 cylinder -- or get an older 8 banger Jeep -- better still, a different car altogether because IMHO, if you drive fast in a Jeep, you're missing the point.

MAINTENANCE

The four banger seems like a much better choice. Much more room to get to things, fewer cylinders -- overall should be cheaper -- my data on that is limited though. IF you drive with the 4 cyclinder under more stress because your foot it into it more, it stands to reason that it will not hold up as well.

OTHER

I looked for Wranglers for YEARS before I bought my TJ. I have been amazed at how well the value of Wranglers stays up. I once did a study and concluded that the resale value of a Jeep Wrangler outperforms that of the BMW. In my experience, the 4cylinder out to cost you less -- that's another factor.

I could continue on -- my main message here is this: Unless you're a fast driver you'll be happy with either one. Don't let anyone "put you into the sales cycle" for a 6 cylinder. The added power can be useful, but it comes with a higher price, upkeep (I think but don't know), and in any case even with the 6 cylinder, I'm not even close to doing what I can do with my 1970 Mustang. Look at the WHOLE Jeep. Take a 4 banger with no rust, great top and good price over a 6 banger without the same goodies.

And if you must buy a run down 4, remember: You're still driving the ultimate car.

(You know -- i bought my Jeep in the fall -- I love it this much and I haven't even had a chance to drive it with the top down. If it's this fun in the winter, I can't imagine what summer will be like! )
What a GREAT post !
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In that case you should test drive a Miata. I had a 96 5speed and i fell in love with that car. I've had people make fun of me.. oh you are a guy that drives a chick car blah bla bla.. well so far any one that i've raced on a autocross had their jaw dragging on the floor afterwards. Its fun, you feel the road, it simply makes you want to wake up at 3 in the night and go for a drive around the block.
Don't you just love sports cars? I felt that way about my tbird and my mustang...until I got an Acura. WOW! I'll never buy another Ford sports car again.
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I bought a 2000 4-banger last year even though everyone told me to go with a 6. As far as highway driving and all that, it is rather gutless...You gotta drive smarter to get faster with the 4. I wait for a bigger pickup to pass me then I get behind him and use his tailwinds to help me get to higher speeds. With the bigger tires I've got on and the top down I loose ALOT of power, I was driving home from work a few weeks ago with the top down trying to pass someone before my exit and even with the peddle to the floor I was actually slowing down (granted, it was extremely windy), anyway, I had to let him pass and embarrasingly get in the lane behind him. (And just incase you're thinking there are aftermarket products to increase performance I've got the high-flow intake, throttle body spacer, and two performance chips...They did help, but it's still nowhere near the horsepower of a 6) As far as off-roading, I don't have a single complaint. I'm the only one in our group with a puny four-banger and I keep up (and sometimes lead) with everyone else when we go through mud and some rock and hill climbing. So there's plenty of power for fun in the mud...but it also depends on what you can do as the driver. So to sum it up, lacking major power for highway, but has plenty for offroading... I honestly wish I would've looked alittle harder for a 6 cylinder.
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