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Old 12-17-2013, 05:57 PM   #1
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Need some help from LJ owners please -

How much more "real world" space does an LJ have over a standard TJ? I currently have a TJ and need something bigger but I'm too tight to drop 30+k on a JKU. I need more back seat room (2 small kids) and space for gear. LJ's seem to be from 12-20k but if there isn't that much more room then I'll be stuck jammed in the TJ or sucking it up an spending some major jack on a JKU. Thanks!

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Old 12-17-2013, 06:15 PM   #2
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My wife and other women can easily sit back there... I'm 6 4 and CAN sit back there but it's not great. With the seat in and in "seating" position (aka not folded up) you could probably fit a medium sized ice chest behind it. My 70 lb chocolate lab can stand back there for short trips (although she's kissing anyone in the back seat). For a short trip you could probably fit enough stuff for a family of 4 behind the seat but then if you were carrying a cooler you'd need a hitch rack or something. since it's just me, my wife and the dog we dont usually have the back seat in and we went to colorado for a week (sans dog) and had room to spare even with the back seat folded up.


Moral of the story - more room than a standard TJ, less room than a JKU. Also much cheaper than a JKU

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Old 12-17-2013, 06:28 PM   #3
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I'm your height - how much room is behind the drivers seat when you have it in a comfortable driving position?
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:31 PM   #4
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If you and 3 friends had to off someone, the body would fit behind the seat.
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:49 PM   #5
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found from another post via google :

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LJ is 15" longer on the body.
10" more wheelbase.
2" more leg room in the rear passenger area.
basically everything forward of the drivers side is the same.


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It's a huge amount of difference over a TJ (which has zero room). When I fold the seats up, I have a ton of room for my German Shepherd and some gear.
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Seriously. I opened the back of a friends JK 2 Door and he has a copy paper box that fits flush up against the tailgate and the rear seat. I could put one of those LONG ways behind my back seat (without it being folded up) and still have room to spare. The rear seats are supposedly only 2" further back. But they seem MUCH further. For an average size lady, the fit is snug, but loose. For an average sized guy, the fit is snug. For a larger guy, it's a tight fit, but possible.

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Old 12-17-2013, 11:54 PM   #8
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Mine fits my two 5'10" huntin buddies, my 6'3" self, 3 backpacks, 3 small coolers, 3 rifles and 3 shotguns with room to spare and nobody complaining about being cramped.
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Mine fits my two 5'10" huntin buddies, my 6'3" self, 3 backpacks, 3 small coolers, 3 rifles and 3 shotguns with room to spare and nobody complaining about being cramped.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:02 AM   #10
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Ok sounds good - I'm going to try to find an LJ to take a look at. I don't know what makes more sense though, paying 14-18k for an '05-'06 LJ or 24+k for a '10 to present JKU. Whatever I get will rarely if ever be off road and will see most of its time spent on rural roads. Who knew this was so complicated but I do enjoy having something to obsess over.
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Try and find an '06 because of the reverse issues some of the '05's have. They beefed up the internals due to drivers over shifting into reverse instead of 6th. My PO did this and I had to do the reverse rebuild.
The extra room is well worth it along with more towing capacity and a better ride due to the long wheel base. Oh yeah one other thing I can't remember how many times I got over obstacles that the short wheel based Tj had a tough time getting over and hearing on the CB "you and your damn long wheel base".
They are out there but you need to act quick when they come up for sale.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:02 AM   #12
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I keep my LJ rear seat on a shelf in the garage.

There is lots of room in the LJ... I recently removed my front passenger seat to haul an 84" grandfather clock.

It fit.
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Compared to the TJ it looks like a ball field back there. Neighbor had an LJ & I always admired the extra space.
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There is an LJ rubicon on jeepforum for sale in Alabama for a good price.
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Could you get me a link to that please?
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:00 PM   #16
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Believe he was talking about this one.

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Old 12-18-2013, 12:58 PM   #17
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13.5k is about average. What I'm curious about is that he says most of the miles were towed miles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you correctly set up for tow behind, the odometer shouldn't change ?
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13.5k is about average. What I'm curious about is that he says most of the miles were towed miles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you correctly set up for tow behind, the odometer shouldn't change ?
you are correct... miles should not add up while flat towing.


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I'm your height - how much room is behind the drivers seat when you have it in a comfortable driving position?
with the driver's seat all the way back my wife and mother both have easily fit back there. They are 5' 5" and 5' even. I'd think your kids would fit fine but another guy our height would be resting his chin on his knees.
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Old 12-18-2013, 03:24 PM   #20
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copy that - I found several nice LJ's in that classified section. I just put a trek top nx on my tj and love the sunrider feature - can I get the same top for an LJ? I think in terms of budget and use the LJ is going to be the best way to go - I was hoping that a JKU would replace the Yukon XL we have but I don't think that's going to happen.
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I have an '06 LJ and love it! Pull the rear seat and I can fit my 3 60+ pound dogs. Get a hitch carrier for even more room. I have even hauled a large coffee table and was able to lay it flat w/o issues.

Plus you get the Dana 44 in the back =) The one "down side" is that some times getting parts can be a little extra. Basically rear corner/rocker armor and tops. But just about everything else that fits a TJ will fit on it.
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I just put a trek top nx on my tj and love the sunrider feature - can I get the same top for an LJ?
Yes my LJ has a Sunrider softtop
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Have the Trek NX on my LJ I love it, looks great too.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:14 PM   #24
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When I was in the Jeep hunt, everyone was telling me to find the LJ. I found a Rubicon TJ in Maryland and a LJ in Penn. Still was getting the message....go for the LJ. I had never seen or driven one.....I travelled 900 mi to purchase my 05 LJ and the advice couldn't have been more right. We couldn't be happier. I wanted the TJ/LJ and the JK was never in the discussion. That Ala one in the above pic looks very nice. Personally the high mileage wouldn't scare me, ours had a 112K. Paid 11k at Stoney Ledge Auto Sales in Ephrata Penn.
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When I was in the Jeep hunt, everyone was telling me to find the LJ. I found a Rubicon TJ in Maryland and a LJ in Penn. Still was getting the message....go for the LJ. I had never seen or driven one.....I travelled 900 mi to purchase my 05 LJ and the advice couldn't have been more right. We couldn't be happier. I wanted the TJ/LJ and the JK was never in the discussion. That Ala one in the above pic looks very nice. Personally the high mileage wouldn't scare me, ours had a 112K. Paid 11k at Stoney Ledge Auto Sales in Ephrata Penn.
It's not the high mileage that's scary. It's the fact the owner claims the high mileage comes from being towed. The LJ has the Jesus I6 nuclear power plant that Jeep/Chrysler made. There's quite a bit of members of this forum with 200k+ on theirs, and a few with 300k+. I've seen a couple posts pop up from google searches of 400k+
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Thanks for all the input - now it comes down to Rubicon or non Rubicon and I def want a 6 speed. I love the rubi looks and resale but I will never use any of its features. Can you get half doors with soft uppers for an LJ?
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Thanks for all the input - now it comes down to Rubicon or non Rubicon and I def want a 6 speed. I love the rubi looks and resale but I will never use any of its features. Can you get half doors with soft uppers for an LJ?
The LJ has the same doors as a standard TJ.
Other than replacement roll bar covers, there has been nothing that I cannot find for my LJ.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #28
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Great - I just haven't seen any LJ's with half doors. Thanks
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To give you a good visual idea of how much cargo room you gain with an LJ over a TJ just unlatch your rear seat and while its in the upright position, slide it forward 13"
But, Its been so long since I had my back seat I'm not 100% you can even do that without hitting the console.
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Thanks for all the input - now it comes down to Rubicon or non Rubicon and I def want a 6 speed. I love the rubi looks and resale but I will never use any of its features. Can you get half doors with soft uppers for an LJ?
You may not use any of its features, but if you get in a pickle they may come in handy and plus you get a better front axle then a non rubi. At that point i guess it boils down to price.

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