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Old 09-04-2006, 08:42 PM   #31
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good decision...i wouldn't trade either!...we can always build our rigs up to that potential!

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Old 09-04-2006, 09:04 PM   #32
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oh yeah you are so right we dont need all that. Like i didnt need a rubicon. I do very well with my stock LJ out on the trail but you know what i still wouldnt mind haveing a rubicon, the lockers would come in handy.

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ya but you can always add them...and for less than the price that you would pay extra for the rubicon!
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Old 09-04-2006, 09:29 PM   #34
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ya but you can always add them...and for less than the price that you would pay extra for the rubicon!
Lets add this up........Dana 44 front and rear, 4:1 ratio in the transfer case, vs the standard 2.73:1 ratio, 4:11 gears in the diffs. selectable air lockers, front and rear........When you can buy a Rubicon at cost minus employee discount, how could you possibly add all these upgrades for less, buying them at retail, or at vendors prices? Not to mention the 31" tires mounted on 16" rims, from factory. Of course those were the first things to go on my rig, but hey, at least I didn't start with 28" tires.
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Lets add this up........Dana 44 front and rear, 4:1 ratio in the transfer case, vs the standard 2.73:1 ratio, 4:11 gears in the diffs. selectable air lockers, front and rear........When you can buy a Rubicon at cost minus employee discount, how could you possibly add all these upgrades for less, buying them at retail, or at vendors prices?

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you know that can be ture cause there not going to make the 06 rubicons cause of the new JK but still im happy with my unlimited i like the gears that i have right now 3.73 Axle Ratio with a rear dana 44 Command-Trac® Part-Time 4WD System all good stuff. but hey were still young.
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:53 AM   #37
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Lets add this up........Dana 44 front and rear, 4:1 ratio in the transfer case, vs the standard 2.73:1 ratio, 4:11 gears in the diffs. selectable air lockers, front and rear........When you can buy a Rubicon at cost minus employee discount, how could you possibly add all these upgrades for less, buying them at retail, or at vendors prices? Not to mention the 31" tires mounted on 16" rims, from factory. Of course those were the first things to go on my rig, but hey, at least I didn't start with 28" tires.
i was talkin about just addin the lockers! my 28's were off in about half a year! which is good for me since i don't make that much money!
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Why would you think that?

I am interested in putting together the best lower-cost vehicle I can, and if it's a YJ, so be it. I don't care for the headlights (never did), but I loved my CJ5, so the leaf springs are not a turn-off in the least.

I wasn't talking about your shopping, but rather what features on your YJ make you reluctant to get a TJ. I assume that you have a competent YJ, but you are saying that TJs come up short for various reasons.

My main TJ gripe is the electronics in a TJ vs. dead-simple fix-it-in-the-field early YJs w/ a carb and distributor. TJs are reliable, but if they break when you are alone back of beyond, you are stuck (I do not travel in groups).

I have gotten used to the strange way my TJ articulates over road bumps (compared to leaf sprung versions), and generally like the handling on-road OK.

If you doubt my sincerity, consider that I am quite seriously contemplating finding a really nice CJ2 (with overdrive) just for running around in. The TJ is a good vehicle for higher speed use, but a it's hard to beat a CJ for light off-road and around-town use. I still love its looks as well, it being the Jeep I grew up looking at driving around.

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I've been sitting here trying to decide if you are serious or not. I don't think my jeep shopping is going to teach you anything. I'll give you the short version though.

I've had my YJ for years, and I'm shopping for a TJ. I can't find one I like. I have yet to drive one that impresses me.

There are no rocks around here. Only mud, and I'll take it for the occassional ride through the country.

The search continues...
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Old 09-05-2006, 11:37 PM   #39
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Sorry, Bob. I really thought you were picking with me, so I was just picking back.

On a serious note, I prefer the look of the YJ over the TJ. It seems that cosmetically, the one draw back that some people can't get over is the headlights. There are actually a few things about the TJ that have always stood out as awkward to me. I never have liked the dang driving lights that are installed in the fenders of the TJ is the main thing that irks me. I've gotten used to the squatty grill, but the sloping hood takes away from it at the same time, in my opinion.

Honestly, I've only driven 3 or 4 YJs ever, including mine. I had never driven a TJ until I started TJ shopping about 6 months ago. I really want to stay in the used market, but haven't been satisfied with what I have seen done to many of them.

Some things that I have noticed that are different, are the turning radius is slightly reduced in a TJ. I had always heard that it would turn tighter, but it is at least not true compared to my YJ. The TJ is also much more like a truck than I initially thought it would be in reference to the way it rides. Which is something I like, but they have all actually been a rougher ride than my YJ, and that makes no sense to me.\

Another thing about the TJ is that in some ways it is more comfortable to drive and in some ways it isn't. The dash layout drives me crazy on the TJ. Also, it feels like I am sitting much closer to the dash in a TJ. Some of it, I think, is that a TJ seems to have more leg room, but is yet not quite what I am used to.

The windshield seems to be closer to my face in a TJ, but I may be imagining that.

Also, the TJ seems to have excellent torque (only looking at 6s), but my YJ does too and seems to do a little better. I think it's because my YJ Is broken on though at 109,000 ,miles.

Like I said, I haven't found anything I care to drive as much as my YJ. I feel like I'll just know it when I find the one I want.

All you TJ owners, I'm not flaming the TJ. Just relaying my personal experience of shopping. Also, I'm partial to my old YJ. At 109,000 miles, it has never broken down (except for the flip) and never been in a shop. It has never leaked a drop of anything, knock on wood. It's gone from daily driver to being driven maybe 10 to 15 miles a month.
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[QUOTE=amerijeep]Sorry, Bob. I really thought you were picking with me, so I was just picking back.

You know, that is one of my major gripes with some Forums. People snipe other folks because they are "hiding" behind the Internet. I almost ignore the Jeeps Unlimited Forum for that reason.

If you aren't one of the "in" folks running a "Big" Jeep all modded out to rock climb, you are a target, not a contributor.

I've been Jeeping since 1972 with a '71 CJ5 with the great V6 they used then, yet because I haven't spent $20,000 ruining my Jeep (my personal opinion, sorry) with excessive mods, then I am a nobody.

I like Jeeps for transportation off-road (and on-road), in other words, to actually get somewhere. Seems I am in the vast minority now, with most treating them as only toys to be run on mostly "pay-to-run" closed courses and organized trail runs. Nothing wrong with either (not everyone can live where there are place you can legally take a Jeep off-road on public lands), but using a Jeep to get into somewhere to hunt, fish, or camp is STILL a valid use, but you sometimes wouldn't know it by opinions voiced.

There I go on that tangent again! Sorry.


On a serious note, I prefer the look of the YJ over the TJ. It seems that cosmetically, the one draw back that some people can't get over is the headlights. There are actually a few things about the TJ that have always stood out as awkward to me. I never have liked the dang driving lights that are installed in the fenders of the TJ is the main thing that irks me. I've gotten used to the squatty grill, but the sloping hood takes away from it at the same time, in my opinion.

I hear you. The square headlights are just so obvious that they ended up being the feature "mist disliked." I suppose they were trying to really make it look different than the CJ, which by then was getting a bad rap for safety (IMHO).

Honestly, I've only driven 3 or 4 YJs ever, including mine. I had never driven a TJ until I started TJ shopping about 6 months ago. I really want to stay in the used market, but haven't been satisfied with what I have seen done to many of them.

I prefer to buy unmolested originals so at least I know what's in 'em, but to be honest, I try to do as little as possible to mine because for my use, that's enough, and most off-road mods detract from their road manners. I need a balance.

Plus, with a Jeep that was never off-road, I can be pretty sure it wasn't "used up" with something about ready to break. Some folks thrash their Jeeps without mercy in the name of fun. I have trouble having fun when I am damaging something expensive. The '00 TJ I recently bought (80,000mi) didn't have a scratch or mark on the underside (skid plates or anywhere). Road miles only.


Some things that I have noticed that are different, are the turning radius is slightly reduced in a TJ. I had always heard that it would turn tighter, but it is at least not true compared to my YJ. The TJ is also much more like a truck than I initially thought it would be in reference to the way it rides. Which is something I like, but they have all actually been a rougher ride than my YJ, and that makes no sense to me.\

Compared to my CJ5, or my late, lamented FJ40, the TJ turns REALLY tight, but I have very little time in a YJ. The YJ felt more stable (no funny articulation happening under me), but had a choppier ride from the leaf springs. Now that I am used to the TJ, it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

The TJ can handle and corner like a sports car compared to my CJ, though. Of course, my CJ had the old belcrank steering system, enclosed front "U" joints, and bias ply tires, so it was a throwback to WW II technology.


Another thing about the TJ is that in some ways it is more comfortable to drive and in some ways it isn't. The dash layout drives me crazy on the TJ. Also, it feels like I am sitting much closer to the dash in a TJ. Some of it, I think, is that a TJ seems to have more leg room, but is yet not quite what I am used to.

The TJ feels awfully "car-like" to me. I prefer the "traditional" Jeep dash of the CJ (you could leave topless in the rain w/o a problem, not that I did), but I am sure there have been many more YJ/TJs made than CJ were ever made, so "new" Jeeps are now traditional. Get caught in a TJ with the top off in a heavy rain, and you are dead-in-the-water (or at least chasing electric gremlins for weeks).

I like the simple nature of the leaf spring vehicles, suspension and the electronics (lack thereof) of early YJs. The AMC axles and trannies were crap compared to late Danas on the late CJ and early YJs though. Can't have it all, I guess.


The windshield seems to be closer to my face in a TJ, but I may be imagining that.

Also, the TJ seems to have excellent torque (only looking at 6s), but my YJ does too and seems to do a little better. I think it's because my YJ Is broken on though at 109,000 ,miles.

I don't see a huge difference in any of the 6s, except really new 4.0s seem less strong (maybe my perception only).

Like I said, I haven't found anything I care to drive as much as my YJ. I feel like I'll just know it when I find the one I want.

Familarity is good. Maybe you will never get a TJ, and that's fine as well (especially if you are in a rust-free part of the country).

All you TJ owners, I'm not flaming the TJ. Just relaying my personal experience of shopping. Also, I'm partial to my old YJ. At 109,000 miles, it has never broken down (except for the flip) and never been in a shop. It has never leaked a drop of anything, knock on wood. It's gone from daily driver to being driven maybe 10 to 15 miles a month.

No need to apologize to TJ owners like me, anyway. None of your comments are "flames." Personal preference is what life is about, and anyone that takes offense needs to remember that he OWNS or he RIDES IN his Jeep, he is NOT that Jeep, so any comments about a model vehicle he has is NOT a personal insult or attack against HIM.

Perhaps we have gotten too sensitive and identify too much with our possessions if frank discussion can raise emotions like that.

Never alologize for liking a YJ, and I won't feel bad because I love the looks and lack of any pretense of a CJ2.

Good luck in your quest for the perfect Jeep!

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Old 09-06-2006, 10:24 AM   #41
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We all have different "uses" for our wranglers. Mine has no lift and is pretty much stock. I have made some mods for creature comforts and some for how I use my wrangler. There is no "right" way to do it! We should respect any jeeper's desire to have the jeep that he/she wants because it's what he/she wants. I don't think anyone on the forum will dis you because you don't see things the way they do. But, people on the forum ASK for opinions, and that's what they get.
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Old 09-06-2006, 02:42 PM   #42
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I'm sorry that you felt like I wasn't willing to deal with you, Bob, because I thought you weren't "in" or something like that. Which this now makes the second time I have apologized to you. Your question kinda hit me as someone who was just playing around. Which, that doesn't bother me. I love to pick and play. I only was short because it didn't seem like someone that was being serious by asking for my "opinion" and everyone could "benefit from my experience" from what I had to say in my quest for another jeep.

You see what I mean? It seems like sarcasm. No big deal, because sarcasm is another form of humor to me, but I had no idea you were serious.

I use my Jeep just the way you describe yourself. I have no lift on my Jeep. I have never made a secret of that. My Jeep is as stock as they day I bought it, with the exception of a very few minor details, like tires and such. I don't see why I would put anyone down for having a stock jeep.

Anyway, I see you have picked my post to pieces. Exactly what I was thinking would happen to begin with.

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Old 09-08-2006, 11:14 AM   #43
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Does anyone else notice any stylistic similarities between these pics attached?:
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Old 09-08-2006, 11:25 AM   #44
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Does anyone else notice any stylistic similarities between these pics attached?:

there both red?
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Old 09-08-2006, 11:58 AM   #45
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Maybe it's just me, but I am not digging the new boxy, streamlined look with the hard top and windows. Looks too trendy to be a Wrangler. I read in the auto edition of consumer reports that the unlimited was being released to compete with the h-3, and I can see why now. Maybe I'll have to see these in person to appreciate them, but at a quick glance I'm not impressed cosmetically.
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:18 PM   #46
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Nah, I see similarites between the new JK's and the Rescue concept, but not the H3. The JK's styling is more along the lines of the FJ Cruiser as far as the modernistic-retro-funky (technical term) design goes.
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Old 09-08-2006, 03:19 PM   #47
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doesn't look like the FJ...FJ is too round but it is "modernistic-retro-funky
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:19 PM   #48
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I think the 07 looks like a baby hummer...but what do I know I'm new to this whole clan thing.

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