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Old 11-18-2011, 08:30 AM   #1
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new jack recommendation

Got a flat yesterday on my 98 tj..31" duratrac..used the bottle jack to get her up for the spare..and the bottle jack wouldn't get her high enough. Used my partners' scissor jack and that didn't get her high enough either..I don't think I have a lift..I didn't put one on..the PO might have..so we called AAA and they helped me out.
After all was said and done I noticed that the bottle jack base was sheared a bit from the upright tube..garbage now..so is there any jack besides the hi-jack that I can keep in the jeep..I don't want to get another bottle jack if its not going to work...

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Old 11-18-2011, 08:35 AM   #2
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you didn't crank long enough

here's a 35" tire about 3" off the ground with the stock bottle jack

from: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/bottle-jack-74037.html

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Old 11-18-2011, 08:37 AM   #3
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a lift would have nothing to do with jacking up to change a tire-you should be jacking up on the axle-not the frame. I have a 12 ton hydralic bottle jack in my 03 rubicon, 33" tires...and when I screw the bottle jack top out all the way I have no problem lifting up high enough to change tires. Remember-a highlift jack won't work either-because you'll be jacking up the body/frame not the axles. Means you will have to jack up high enough for the springs/shocks to fully extend before you can get the tire off the ground! Seen that happen-hi lift wouldn't go up high enough! Also, have a 12" piece of 2x8 under your seat, gives your bottle jack a firm base and an extra 1 1/2" of lift.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:34 PM   #4
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a lift would have nothing to do with jacking up to change a tire-you should be jacking up on the axle-not the frame. I have a 12 ton hydralic bottle jack in my 03 rubicon, 33" tires...and when I screw the bottle jack top out all the way I have no problem lifting up high enough to change tires. Remember-a highlift jack won't work either-because you'll be jacking up the body/frame not the axles. Means you will have to jack up high enough for the springs/shocks to fully extend before you can get the tire off the ground! Seen that happen-hi lift wouldn't go up high enough! Also, have a 12" piece of 2x8 under your seat, gives your bottle jack a firm base and an extra 1 1/2" of lift.
So a high-lift jack wont get a Jeep with no lift off the ground? I wonder why every Jeep owner has one then??
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:34 PM   #5
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So a high-lift jack wont get a Jeep with no lift off the ground? I wonder why every Jeep owner has one then??
think about - you have to defeat the suspension first. if you've every used a hi-lift you'll understand how unstable they are. you never want to use a hi-lift to change tires, in fact, you don't want to use a hi-lift with the tires off unless you have to - and even then you need to support the vehicle in a secondary manner.

the reason every jeep owner has one is because they totally misunderstand the functionality and they want to look cool/tough/important. I was there once...then I actually used my Hi-Lift and noticed how dangerous they are. I've used it a total of 4 times or so, all of which involved working on trailers in a ranch/farm type environment...mostly on pavement. they're good for Jeeps for recovery activities off-road...not changing tires on the side of the highway.
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I wonder why every Jeep owner has one then??
Cause they look cool.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:39 PM   #7
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think about - you have to defeat the suspension first. if you've every used a hi-lift you'll understand how unstable they are. you never want to use a hi-lift to change tires, in fact, you don't want to use a hi-lift with the tires off unless you have to - and even then you need to support the vehicle in a secondary manner.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:39 PM   #8
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I use a 3 ton bottle jack. I carry a 12x12 piece of plywood to use as a base, and then some leveling blocks from an rv if I need to lift it highter.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:40 PM   #9
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I have to respectfully disagree with everyone here. Granted I have never used it off road, on-road my Hi-Lift can get a tire changed in 5 minutes. Even though you have to clear the suspension travel, the 3 foot leverage bar makes it much faster and easier than messing with those stupid scissor and bottle jacks.

I have never had a problem with it not being safe, but I always use it on flat pavement.
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So a high-lift jack wont get a Jeep with no lift off the ground? I wonder why every Jeep owner has one then??
Go look at your jeep-where would you hook the highlift onto in order to get one tire off the ground? There isn't anyplace unless you want to tear up the sheetmetal. The frame is way under the body.
What the hi-lifts ARE good for is lifting the jeep from front or rear in order to get the weight off the wheels so you can throw rocks or branches under them to get some traction. Or, like we had to do once-lift the front end up high enough to be able to winch the jeep backwards when it dropped off a vertical ledge and the tires were hanging in air-no traction to drive backwards. And also lifting the front or rear up when you have to 'push' that end sideways to get away from a tree or rock. Dangerous, yes...anytime you use a hilift. But used properly, it fills a purpose!
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Go look at your jeep-where would you hook the highlift onto in order to get one tire off the ground? There isn't anyplace unless you want to tear up the sheetmetal. The frame is way under the body.
What the hi-lifts ARE good for is lifting the jeep from front or rear in order to get the weight off the wheels so you can throw rocks or branches under them to get some traction. Or, like we had to do once-lift the front end up high enough to be able to winch the jeep backwards when it dropped off a vertical ledge and the tires were hanging in air-no traction to drive backwards. And also lifting the front or rear up when you have to 'push' that end sideways to get away from a tree or rock. Dangerous, yes...anytime you use a hilift. But used properly, it fills a purpose!
I grab it where the bumper bolts to the frame, that's the farthest point your frame extends to.
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they're good for Jeeps for recovery activities off-road...not changing tires on the side of the highway.
I agree. You chock and block the vehicle to prevent front/back movement, but sideway forces take control ... since the high lift has a small base.
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I agree. You chock and block the vehicle to prevent front/back movement, but sideway forces take control ... since the high lift has a small base.
Yup, the only time I ever used one, it when I needed to shove the jeep over to one side (off-road). Watch your toes...
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I agree. You chock and block the vehicle to prevent front/back movement, but sideway forces take control ... since the high lift has a small base.
Same size as any jack
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Same size as any jack

a hi lift is 7x4.5.
a good bottle jack is around 8x6 or 9x6 roughly

so a bottle jack is bigger, doesnt have to extend as high to get the same job done, and is therefore safer.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:03 PM   #17
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My OEM was about 4x4, until it broke and nearly killed me...

Ever since I use Jack Stands whenever possible.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:22 PM   #18
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i have used my hi-lift to remove my tires ALOT. i do rotations, remove wheels to paint frame ect....
with the wide base attachment on the jack its not too bad.

i ALWAYS use a jack stand as a back up with the hi-lift but it hasn't been needed yet.
yes its dangerous and i wouldn't crawl under the jeep without proper jack stands but it works for me.

i lift my stock jeep on 31s from the bumpers and it works, even after lifting all the suspension travel too.
i do this while on a dirt driveway too.

just go slow and THINK your way threw it and be very cautious.

but im not saying buy a hi-lift jack. im just saying it can be used, just not first choice.
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:41 PM   #19
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I hate the stock bottle jack, piece of crap and practically bends when used. I prefer the scissor jack in my s10, and it was designed to fit into part of the frame....a lot safer IMO.
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My OEM was about 4x4, until it broke and nearly killed me...

Ever since I use Jack Stands whenever possible.
That's why I said a good one not the stock one
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Old 11-18-2011, 04:46 PM   #21
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So then I guess I'll go and get a new, bigger bottle jack...
the way it sheared and tore itself was probably why the jeep couldn't be lifted high enough to change the tire..but we hadn't noticed it til it slipped and fell after it tore..:eek!
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So then I guess I'll go and get a new, bigger bottle jack...
got any you-pull-it type junkyards around?

if so, look for a Land Rover and pull the bottle jack.



This one cost $5 at my local junkyard.
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As said above, the factory jack works fine with 35" tires and will even work with 37" tires in a pinch. And I wouldn't use a Hi-Lift for anything except as a last resort. I own a Hi-Lift but it has been in my shed for 8-10 years... where it will stay. A small bottle jack or the factory jack is all you need to change your tires. And that is true no matter how tall the suspension lift is.
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6" lift 35" tires soft sand.

Stock bottle jack changed this tire in less then 10 minutes. Had to use a shovel to level the ground a lil thats all.


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