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Old 09-14-2013, 08:27 PM   #31
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Best of both worlds. Look for a 06 Rubicon. It's got the "New" you are jonsein for. Has lockers, D44's and the I6 motor.

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a true statement is we (or you) can argue both side of this till the cows come home and we would all be "correct". My DD is GENERALLY my '04 TJ...however this past week I dropped it off for a regear and have been driving the the '12 JK to work. Same driver, same routes...and mileage is almost 30% better. But the TJ is on 33"s and some lift..and the regear may help that. '12 JK is bone stock.

Another reason I am driving the '12 JK is we just bought a '14 JKU so that my wife can haul the Grandbaby easier...the JKU is getting very "comparable" mileage to the JK around town.

IMO if you wheel it you will PROBABLY prefer the TJ and adding to it even with poor gas mileage etc.......also less costly parts for repairs and upgrades....If wheeling is only a once a month or a every month or two thing, than it might be a good idea to consider the types of trails and whether or not the JK would suit your needs.

Things to keep in mind..... probably little to no rust on your Jeep down there. That I6 can be swapped with a new motor for about $3000...and for $5000 you are getting into stroker territory. for the price of a new do Jeep you can do a lot of Mods...but do you want to do that on a vehicle that age?

The power on the Street in the new JKs is amazing for a Jeep..I haven't wheeled either one of our JKs...and don't plan to wheel either one as we have the TJ, that is what it is for. We like the JKs for the 4wd/ topless thing..and it is always a pleasure to go somewhere, in ANY of the JEEPS!!!

For me if I HAD to Choose just ONE? the TJ no doubt in my mind.....hope this helps
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a true statement is we (or you) can argue both side of this till the cows come home and we would all be "correct". My DD is GENERALLY my '04 TJ...however this past week I dropped it off for a regear and have been driving the the '12 JK to work. Same driver, same routes...and mileage is almost 30% better. But the TJ is on 33"s and some lift..and the regear may help that. '12 JK is bone stock.

Another reason I am driving the '12 JK is we just bought a '14 JKU so that my wife can haul the Grandbaby easier...the JKU is getting very "comparable" mileage to the JK around town.

IMO if you wheel it you will PROBABLY prefer the TJ and adding to it even with poor gas mileage etc.......also less costly parts for repairs and upgrades....If wheeling is only a once a month or a every month or two thing, than it might be a good idea to consider the types of trails and whether or not the JK would suit your needs.

Things to keep in mind..... probably little to no rust on your Jeep down there. That I6 can be swapped with a new motor for about $3000...and for $5000 you are getting into stroker territory. for the price of a new do Jeep you can do a lot of Mods...but do you want to do that on a vehicle that age?

The power on the Street in the new JKs is amazing for a Jeep..I haven't wheeled either one of our JKs...and don't plan to wheel either one as we have the TJ, that is what it is for. We like the JKs for the 4wd/ topless thing..and it is always a pleasure to go somewhere, in ANY of the JEEPS!!!

For me if I HAD to Choose just ONE? the TJ no doubt in my mind.....hope this helps
Yes it does thanks... And I like the idea of the 06 rubicon.. But if I get rid of mine it would be for a new one.. And for rust I have some surface rust in the floor boards but this next week or so the body shop next door to me is going to bed line it for me.. I did him a favor so he's going to do me one... FREE I love the barter system....
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:27 AM   #35
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nice,you will love the interior lining, worry free, i had mine done probably about 10 years ago. one of the best upgrades i did. can take off the doors and put on a safari top and basically go all summer like that.
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nice,you will love the interior lining, worry free, i had mine done probably about 10 years ago. one of the best upgrades i did. can take off the doors and put on a safari top and basically go all summer like that.
Does it help with heat coming off the floor?
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:36 PM   #37
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I dont know what it felt like before i did it, but during the summer if im barefoot, its hot, i wont lie to ya, but not so much that i cant stand it. ive driven barefoot to the beach and back down on the outer banks no problem. so to answer your question, i think it helps some, but doesnt eliminate it.
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I had a JK now I dont. nuff said

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My 97 is bedlined inside and the heat coming off the floorboard isn't too bad. I wear shorts most of the time and I can feel the heat during the summer, especially when the temperature goes over 100, but it's bearable. I have thought about picking up a couple of those rubber floormats from Quadratec. I think they will make it more comfortable when it gets really hot + my heel keeps wearing a spot through the bedliner.
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I have rubber floor mats it doesn't help.. Well I guess my feet don't fry but it's so hot down there my legs sweat and feel like they are going to burst into flames..
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:37 PM   #41
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Did you get the new jeep or old?
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:46 PM   #42
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:32 PM   #43
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Now I realize I'm treading on purist ground here - but the new ones are very very good IMO - and not just on road

FWIW, my stock '13 JKU Sport has no issues keeping up with the modded rigs I've gone off roading with. The traction control on the new ones is nearly as good as lockers in most situations, I'm still surprised by how well it works... In fact - if you REALLY need the real lockers in a JK, you're probably going to need a lift, much more armor and several other mods, because traction is no longer a limiting factor for its capabilities - all the other things suddenly are.
Places where some lifted and modded ZJ, XJ's and tacomas were getting caught up and spinning, the JK had no issues with.

And my sister says "Wow, this fixes all the problems I had with your TJ" when I took her and my brother in law for a ride (she made him get rid of his TJ, poor guy)
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Old 09-23-2013, 06:54 AM   #44
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Look at it this way. What are your plans for each jeep? Are you just wanting a daily driver? Something you'll never take off road, and just have fun doing a small mid here and there?

Or are you wanting a toy to take off road? Do you want to spend weekends working on that toy? Upgrading parts, fixing sorts that have broken or will break?

For a daily driver, a JK just can't be beat. They have all the comforts. But, very expensive, and most of your free cash will be into the payments.

But if you want air lockers, an upgraded suspension kit, multiple tops and doors, like drilling holes into your tub, like the feel of driving an older jeep, then that TJ is the way to go.
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I almost bought a JK, but bought my '06 LJ instead. Other than being new, the JK didn't impress... It didn’t ride any better than the LJ (though it was faster), and I don't like the curved plastic grille or the fenders. The newer interior is nice but is that really a good thing in a Jeep? I’m doubt it will handle getting wet and dirty like the TJ will. My biggest issue though, is the V6s. I just don't trust them... They haven't proved themselves as the 4.0 has, and they're too computerized. Late TJs have enough computer controls to make them efficient and reliable without making them impossible to work on or totally reliant on the computer. It is my understanding that the JK gas pedal is computer controlled. That worries me from a reliability standpoint. Finally, a new JK will depreciate, whereas at this point, your TJ will not, and if you're smart in rebuilding it, you'll recover a good amount of that expense in value.
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The last few vehicles have had computer controlled gas peddles I HATE THEM.. Yes you can feel the lag..
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Personally, I really dislike the JKs and you have a really sick ride already. I would just stick with what you have and mod it to do what you want. On the other hand I have heard that the JKs ride a lot more like a car.
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I've ridden in a friends JK, and recently bought a TJ. While the JK is "nice" the TJ just "feels" more like a jeep. Wouldn't trade my 04 TJ for a JK for anything.
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Ha I say forget the JK, sell your TJ to some high school or college kid (I would have loved to have one like that in high school) and pick up one of these puppies



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Clearly there aren't as many married guys on this forum as I thought. If there were, this discussion would have ended before it even got started:

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Okay I unique position I have a 97 TJ already setup with 33" tires NO LOCKERS Original axles and I think gears, Is actually really good shape.. 245000 miles i6 auto and I can pretty much do anything I want to it... OR the wife said I could go out and buy a brand new one already setup with what ever I want on it.
Rule #1 in marriage: don't wait to get permission twice to do something. Even if you just want a newer TJ (or an LJ), I think you should go for it.
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Ha I say forget the JK, sell your TJ to some high school or college kid (I would have loved to have one like that in high school) and pick up one of these puppies
I like it!
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Clearly there aren't as many married guys on this forum as I thought. If there were, this discussion would have ended before it even got started: Rule #1 in marriage: don't wait to get permission twice to do something. Even if you just want a newer TJ (or an LJ), I think you should go for it.
You're absolutely right and I think I may have even waited too long at this point...
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The first question to answer is "what do you want to do with it?". If its DD and OR once a month or less forget a Rubicon. If you need to haul stuff that points to a 4 door. If you want to mod it, again, forget the Rubicon. You are paying for stuff you will be yanking out or re-gearing which does not make financial sense.

One thing to consider is for half of the $40k+ you will be dropping into a new JK, you could really fix up the TJ. New stroker, new gears, selectable lockers, lift, new trans, new steering, wheels, tires and whatever else.
You would then have a jeep that would drive circles around the average JK for a lot less cash.
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The first question to answer is "what do you want to do with it?". If its DD and OR once a month or less forget a Rubicon. If you need to haul stuff that points to a 4 door. If you want to mod it, again, forget the Rubicon. You are paying for stuff you will be yanking out or re-gearing which does not make financial sense. One thing to consider is for half of the $40k+ you will be dropping into a new JK, you could really fix up the TJ. New stroker, new gears, selectable lockers, lift, new trans, new steering, wheels, tires and whatever else. You would then have a jeep that would drive circles around the average JK for a lot less cash.
The one I looked at had dana44 with lockers was 39k it's the silver one in the pix at the beginning of forum

Best I have seen so far is about 7k with out labor for new rear ends for TJ another 1200$ for a lift and another $1200 for 35s and I still have the 245k miles. Now in theory this should be ? Better than a new Jeep?
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The one I looked at had dana44 with lockers was 39k it's the silver one in the pix at the beginning of forum

Best I have seen so far is about 7k with out labor for new rear ends for TJ another 1200$ for a lift and another $1200 for 35s and I still have the 245k miles. Now in theory this should be ? Better than a new Jeep?
Yes in THEORY...but we still haven't heard what your intended use for it is....and not whether off road or not but what kind...IMO it really is to the point that when you say got a Jeep...it can be an extreme off road rig or a very civilized (with all the creature comforts) primarily on road 4wd Convertible. The options are so numerous the question is more of what is your intended goal, and how long you plan to keep it?
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Not to blow everything sideways but after watching MOST of the video...IMO a "stock"JK with good tires would have no problem...as long as you get the right line......
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Using your numbers, you're at $9,400... Only $29,600 left to spend to match the JK...

Really, you could throw in an LS-1 crate motor and a Rubi Transfer case and still be at half the price of the JK. How cool would that be?


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The one I looked at had dana44 with lockers was 39k it's the silver one in the pix at the beginning of forum

Best I have seen so far is about 7k with out labor for new rear ends for TJ another 1200$ for a lift and another $1200 for 35s and I still have the 245k miles. Now in theory this should be ? Better than a new Jeep?
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Keep the TJ and do this:

Stroke the motor for more power
swap in a manual valve body 700R4 4spd auto with Novak or AA adapters
Atlas 3.8 twin stick tcase
do a 3.5" or 4" long arm stretch kit with new tank for clearance
HP D60's with ARBs and 5.38s
swap in 37" tires on beadlocks or rim of choice with Stauns
do a 1" body lift and a tummy tuck
highline fenders and armor
front and rear bumpers/tire carrier of your choice
fully welded cage
suspension seats w/5 pt harness
insulate the floor and recarpet
kickin' stereo
LEDs for night wheelin'
appropriate sway bar(s) (currie or similar)
reservior shocks to dampen the ride
new exhaust and CAI
Ignition upgrades as necessary

This would be about the same cost as a new ride (not including upgrades after new purchase) and you would be able to go anywhere with it.

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