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Old 02-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #1
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Had my keys stolen and I had a dealership make me a new key. But it doesn't work in the door or the ignition. Any ideas why or how to make the key work. (went back and had another key made incase they screwed up. That didn't work either)

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Assuming they are charging you something for the new keys, I would say it is the dealer's responsibility to make a key that works. I would get their expertise on the problem or get every penny back from them if you haven't already. As for why the key(s) won't work, they must be making keys from the VIN or other data you have since you don't have a key to copy. Is there any possibility that data is incorrect?

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I had an extra key made at Lowes and it would turn the Jeep on but a few seconds later it would shut off. Come to find out, i was told there is a chip of some sort in the keys that are programmed to the specific Jeep. I don't know if that will help your problem but thought i would at least share.
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All the VIN # on my loan papers and dealership notes are the same. Is there a vin on my jeep somewhere besides the window sticker?
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I had an extra key made at Lowes and it would turn the Jeep on but a few seconds later it would shut off. Come to find out, i was told there is a chip of some sort in the keys that are programmed to the specific Jeep. I don't know if that will help your problem but thought i would at least share.
My key isn't chipped. I double checked, it won't even turn in the ignition to unlock the steering wheel.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:54 PM   #6
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Oh wow, well then thats not your problem......Hm...
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Dealership says PO might have changed the locks... WTF am I supposed to do if that's the case?
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:59 PM   #8
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change the locks again .... only thing I can think of.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:14 PM   #9
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change the locks again .... Only thing i can think of.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:45 PM   #10
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Dealership says PO might have changed the locks... WTF am I supposed to do if that's the case?
Any competent locksmith can make a key to match your current lock cylinders. This will undoubtedly cost less than four new lock cylinders.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:23 PM   #11
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Poop. This is quite frustrating. It's to damn cold to ride my bike to and from school. So I'm just stuck at my damn house till my jeep gets rolling.
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I had an extra key made at Lowes and it would turn the Jeep on but a few seconds later it would shut off. Come to find out, i was told there is a chip of some sort in the keys that are programmed to the specific Jeep. I don't know if that will help your problem but thought i would at least share.
I've got a 2000 tj, I had copies made at lowes. my keys don't have any chips in them and they work fine.
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Had my keys stolen and I had a dealership make me a new key. But it doesn't work in the door or the ignition. Any ideas why or how to make the key work. (went back and had another key made incase they screwed up. That didn't work either)
Most of the time when replacement keys are made, like in your case, (where they didn't have the actual key to use as a template). they just make the key as it was when the jeep was new, the door locks and ignition was new too. but now 8 years later your original keys are worn down, and so are the door locks and ignition switch. when you try using a brand new key, it no longer matches up. the best remedy for this is get new door lock sets and ignition switch with the new keys to match. your insurance should cover this, since they were stolen.

a good lock smith might be able to make keys that match and give them that proper wear pattern that they need to work, without replacing everything, your Insurance company should know of a good one.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:11 AM   #14
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I once took a newly cut car key (that would not work in my lock) and put it to a benchtop grinder that had a wire wheel. The brushing softened those rough, sharp, clean edges enough to enable the key to work.
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I've got a 2000 tj, I had copies made at lowes. my keys don't have any chips in them and they work fine.
I have a 2001 TJ and had 2 extra keys made at Lowes also. One of the keys had a ton of burrs on it, but it still worked!

I did use a piece of sand paper to clean the burrs off. Key still worked!!

I can't believe that they can't make a key that works for you provided the locks ARE still original. Hard to believe that 4 key holes are that worn down. Does the key work in the passenger door or rear door, as those keyholes probably aren't ever used as much?
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If I remember correctly, you're keys were stolen during the commission of a crime and they were recovered by the police. Have you asked to have them returned to you? Even if they are evidence, they can and should give you at least the key to your vehicle.
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If I remember correctly, you're keys were stolen during the commission of a crime and they were recovered by the police. Have you asked to have them returned to you? Even if they are evidence, they can and should give you at least the key to your vehicle.
Keys weren't found. They denied everything when the cops got to the house and refused to let the police search anything.
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Most of the time when replacement keys are made, like in your case, (where they didn't have the actual key to use as a template). they just make the key as it was when the jeep was new, the door locks and ignition was new too. but now 8 years later your original keys are worn down, and so are the door locks and ignition switch. when you try using a brand new key, it no longer matches up. the best remedy for this is get new door lock sets and ignition switch with the new keys to match. your insurance should cover this, since they were stolen.

a good lock smith might be able to make keys that match and give them that proper wear pattern that they need to work, without replacing everything, your Insurance company should know of a good one.
My thoughts exactly. So I spent a couple hours sanding and filing one of the keys. No go for any lock. Glovebox ignition backdoor.
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Had my keys stolen and I had a dealership make me a new key. But it doesn't work in the door or the ignition. Any ideas why or how to make the key work. (went back and had another key made incase they screwed up. That didn't work either)
If you can find a locksmith who is proficient in the art / science of making keys by "Impressioning" the lock, you can get new keys made that way. Lock Impressioning is sort of a stick a blank in and cut as you go method. It can take up to five blanks used up before a true working new key is made. It should not take more than a half hour for a locksmith who is skilled in "Impressioning" to be able to do this for you.

You won't normally find this skill set at a dealership.

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My thoughts exactly. So I spent a couple hours sanding and filing one of the keys. No go for any lock. Glovebox ignition backdoor.
Yea that's why I suggest a "good lock smith" he can look at the inside of the lock guts in make a better determination on what part of the key to grind down to make it work. Do you have a AAA account (triple a) they will also find a good locksmith and have that done for you. I lost my keys once, but I had AAA, I just called the emergency number, and with-in 20 min I had a locks smith at my car making new keys, at no extra charge to me.
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No triple A. Getting ahold of statefarm today and seeing if they will cover the cost.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:59 PM   #23
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You should try another dealer. There's no way all locks are worn to the point the key won't work anywhere. Either; 1. The dealer making the key is inexperienced at key cutting and is making a sloppy key, or, 2. They are making a mistake when obtaining the info from the VIN, which has them setting up the key cutter incorrectly.
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Locksmith said Chrysler has a habit of copying key codes into the system wrong. Dont know if thats valid or not. Drilled out my ignition last night. Had ish to do. But i got a key to work for my doors. The locksmith is supposed to come by today and put in a new ignition matching all my other locks.
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Keys weren't found. They denied everything when the cops got to the house and refused to let the police search anything.
If you get another copy of the key, they'd still have access to your Jeep. If you know someone has your key and want to prevent them from doing anything to your Jeep, get new locks...
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First off, the dealer probably has the wrong key code entered on their system., not an unusual occurance.
Second, when you don't know what you are talking about you shouldn't be giving out incorrect advice. It just makes the situation worse. Filing or sanding a key to match wear? stupid idea. You want a key as close to original as possible, which would make up for wear.
Three, if you called the locksmith to begin with, the code is stamped ON THE IGNITION cylinder. Taking it out correctly would have gotten you a "factory "key and it would have orked the doors and console if you have one.

Sometimes a little expense could save you more than you think, and you would have been on the road by now.
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Thanks. I will remember that for the future. BUT the tumblers in the ignition were broken. So I needed a new cylinder anyway. Same key for all doors and ignition.

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