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Old 07-04-2011, 03:28 PM   #1
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new to jeeps winch bumper lift questions

Hi I am just baught my first jeep though I havent picked it up yet but already have a few questions .

its a 97 wrangler sport 4.0 l soft top that I purchased from my nephew for 4500. Everything is stock on it since he isnt mechanically inclined enough to do much more than check the oil and tire pressure. My sister bought it new and so I know everything that happened to it. Its never been off road and lucky if its seen more that 500 miles of gravel in its life. But thats about to change ...

here is the mods I would like to do. arb bull bar with 8k winch, garvin wilderness rear bumper with tire rack, lift kit. and possible wilderness/safari rack for trips. but it also has to be my daily driver also for 60 miles daily commute to /from jackson wyoming. I like the asthetics of the arb bumper only wish that it had cut outs for driving light in it like it has on the liberty bull bars.


anyways onto the questions.
would the weight of the bull bar/winch and the rear bumper set up counter act each other for a level lift? how much taller are the 31 1050s than the stock wheels tire combo? how much do you think that the rack/ bumpers/ winch combo will squat the tj? I am going to use the bfg at tires since I will be using it as a dd. in snow all winter long. should I go with a 3 or 4 inch lift to gain the extra height and to compensate for bumper weights?

Any input would be great
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:49 PM   #2
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A 3-4 inch lift will make the tires look puny and handling on 31's very tippie. Old man emu makes a 3/4" front spring spacer that should level you out after bumper and winch and its pretty cheap. You should be able to run 31's with little to no rub in stock form. I would suggest something a little more aggressive than the bfg at's. As soon as they touch mud the problems begin. A lot of people are running goodyear duratracs and cooper sst's and seem to like them on and off road over the bfg. I run bfg km2's and have been very impressed with road manners. I drive about 150 a day. Wouldn't suggest them for snow though.

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Old 07-04-2011, 05:07 PM   #3
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Hi I am just baught my first jeep though I havent picked it up yet but already have a few questions .

its a 97 wrangler sport 4.0 l soft top that I purchased from my nephew for 4500. Everything is stock on it since he isnt mechanically inclined enough to do much more than check the oil and tire pressure. My sister bought it new and so I know everything that happened to it. Its never been off road and lucky if its seen more that 500 miles of gravel in its life. But thats about to change ...

here is the mods I would like to do. arb bull bar with 8k winch, garvin wilderness rear bumper with tire rack, lift kit. and possible wilderness/safari rack for trips. but it also has to be my daily driver also for 60 miles daily commute to /from jackson wyoming. I like the asthetics of the arb bumper only wish that it had cut outs for driving light in it like it has on the liberty bull bars.


anyways onto the questions.
would the weight of the bull bar/winch and the rear bumper set up counter act each other for a level lift? how much taller are the 31 1050s than the stock wheels tire combo? how much do you think that the rack/ bumpers/ winch combo will squat the tj? I am going to use the bfg at tires since I will be using it as a dd. in snow all winter long. should I go with a 3 or 4 inch lift to gain the extra height and to compensate for bumper weights?

Any input would be great
Thanx
Be careful adding to much weight to the front of your Jeep as it will effect a lot more than just how high your Jeep sits. I would recomend a 2" budget boost set up all the way around, and if you can afford it get one that comes with shocks, or purchase some good aftermarket shocks yourself. I also agree that the BFG A/T tires are a big let down after having several other brands of tires... I've got a set of them in the 31 inch size on one of my jeeps and I don't like them at all...
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thanks for the advice on that. I have run the bfg at's in the past on my truck with great perfomance in snow/ice roadsfrom October until May. I was also thinking of running 33's possibly and want to lift it just a little with out making it too tippy for the winter drives. Last winter I was driving in snow storms every other day it seamed. The main concearn is that it is a daily driver so I cant get too carried away with lifting it and somewhat reasonable milage but at the same time stable fro driving on snow and ice. I really like the looks of the km2's but reviews on snow wasnt the greatest. and 6 to 8 months of snow driving is a major factor. Summer weekends will however be mostly 4x4 or atleast forest circus roads which are not maintained as well. I am just wondering how much the bumper is going to effect levelness. I was a proffessional welder by trade and considered building my own but havent the right tools for a fabrication the I would like... no one else here has the madrels either for the aesthetic look I am after. ARB is the closest to what I am looking for. The winch bumper I build for my bronco back in college was 250 lbs with out the winch and it really squatted my lift on the 70 bronco I had. I see you run 33's how tippy is it? I really want the stability of a wider tire or atleast width for driving canyon roads all year and all conditions with out havin to hold my breath in slippery conditions on mountain passes.
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those are the answers I was looking for.. thanks guys! I am going back to look at more reviews on tires. everyone here runs bfg ats for winter... maybe I'll have to consider having 2 sets of tires one for winter and one for summer....
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A 3-4 inch lift will make the tires look puny and handling on 31's very tippie.
Why would a Jeep on 31's be more tippy than one on 33's? If both tires have the same width and mounted on the same rims the Jeep on 33's will have a higher center of gravity...
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thanks for the advice on that. I have run the bfg at's in the past on my truck with great perfomance in snow/ice roadsfrom October until May. I was also thinking of running 33's possibly and want to lift it just a little with out making it too tippy for the winter drives. Last winter I was driving in snow storms every other day it seamed. The main concearn is that it is a daily driver so I cant get too carried away with lifting it and somewhat reasonable milage but at the same time stable fro driving on snow and ice. I really like the looks of the km2's but reviews on snow wasnt the greatest. and 6 to 8 months of snow driving is a major factor. Summer weekends will however be mostly 4x4 or atleast forest circus roads which are not maintained as well. I am just wondering how much the bumper is going to effect levelness. I was a proffessional welder by trade and considered building my own but havent the right tools for a fabrication the I would like... no one else here has the madrels either for the aesthetic look I am after. ARB is the closest to what I am looking for. The winch bumper I build for my bronco back in college was 250 lbs with out the winch and it really squatted my lift on the 70 bronco I had. I see you run 33's how tippy is it? I really want the stability of a wider tire or atleast width for driving canyon roads all year and all conditions with out havin to hold my breath in slippery conditions on mountain passes.
Welcome to the forum by the way, and happy 4th of July! If you want to run 33's cheaply, a 2 inch suspension lift, either coils or spacers, and a 1.25 inch body lift will get you where you need to be as long as you don't need to do any major flexing.. as far as driving in snow is concerned, if you truly have to drive in it for 6-8 months of the year, I'd go with something that is meant for snow for doing that, anything else would be a compromise, then have a back up set of tires for going offroad with that are set up for the types of conditions you will most likely encounter.

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