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Old 08-08-2008, 06:48 PM   #1
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I recently acquired a 2000 Jeep wrangle SE, a 5 speed with the 2.4L 4 cylinder engine. I hope this is the right section for this. It was given as a gift to me, but sadly it is not in good working condition. It is leaking oil at the valve cover gasket near the exhaust manifold which is not a big deal, but it also has an exhaust leak. The problem with that is, the exhaust stud on the far right of the manifold if you look at it broke off. So, I'm taking I need to get a new manifold, gasket, and figure a way to get the stud out and put a new one in. Are there any write-ups/info on this? Also, it is leaking oil what seems to be from the oil filter assembly and dripping down onto the exhaust. I can't seem to find a gasket or kit to fix this, is it something I can do or something I have to pay someone to do. I appreciate any help. - Alex

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Ahhhh, I can't figure out how to edit this, I just wanted to ask that if this is in the wrong place could a mod please move it.

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First the oil leak on the valve cover, sounds like it's not been taken care of. Valve cover gasket is in order here, oil from the oil filter area. Put a new oil filter on there and see what happens, mobil-1, K&N, Purolator pure one, no frams.
As for the manifold bolt, yup, I have a broken front one and I keep thinking of drilling it out and running a chaser thru. What I will probably do is take it and have it done, I hate trying to get broken bolts out, I usually make it worse.
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Yes, the Jeep was very neglected As for the oil filter, if I replace it and still have oil coming out what should I do? Someone told me there is an o-ring somewhere under the assembly that is notorious for leaking. I was considering getting an angle drill and a left handed bit and trying to drill it out.
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I don't know about the 2.4, I know the 4.0L 6 but that has a different filter setup, the 4.0 has an O ring kit. I would start off with a new filter and good oil then I would keep an eye on the dipstick, if the oil turns black real quick thats the new oil cleaning it up. If the filter is all crudded up you could be getting some leakage that the bypass valve is allowing thru. Personally if it was that bad I would go with a 50/50 mix of Mobil-1 and regular oil, the Mobil-1 is a high detergent oil and will start mixing with the sludge thats in there and cleaning it out. Just watch that dipstick and change the filter if it gets dirty really fast. Dirty as in you can no longer read the dipstick.
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You might want to check with the dealer on the manifold bolt. I seem to recall either a recall on this or a TSB about it, but not sure what years it was for.
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Well I got the intake and exhaust manifolds off today, the stud broke off not to far in the head so I'm going to use an extractor and get it out today. The PVC valve is clogged to hell, and it's leaking out the valve cover gasket so they are going to get changed. I just found out today that the oil filter has not been changed in 2 years!!!!! I would say chances are pretty high that the o-ring on the filter has dried up and it's leaking badly out of there, anyone concur with this? If not what else is on the side of the 2.5L block that could leak.
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Well I got the intake and exhaust manifolds off today, the stud broke off not to far in the head so I'm going to use an extractor and get it out today. The PVC valve is clogged to hell, and it's leaking out the valve cover gasket so they are going to get changed. I just found out today that the oil filter has not been changed in 2 years!!!!! I would say chances are pretty high that the o-ring on the filter has dried up and it's leaking badly out of there, anyone concur with this? If not what else is on the side of the 2.5L block that could leak.
What you may find on the CCV side of things is that the whole hose is plugged, you'll know more when you get the valve cover off, as far as removing bolt, Power blaster is your friend, easy outs aren't. Soak it with PB then grab it with a set of channel locks and see if you can back it out that way, torch might help too.
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What you may find on the CCV side of things is that the whole hose is plugged,
That could be since there is no PCV valve on a TJ. The root cause could be blow-by from bad rings too.
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What is a CCV? Also, I thought the thing on top of the valve cover, with the hose attached to it going to the intake is a PVC valve, on every other car I've owned it's ever been like that. Also, in regards to the exhaust stud it is broken off inside the head, not very far in but far enough. The machine shop quoted me like 500 to repair it after I take the head out myself.. I'll try my luck first.
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What is a CCV? Also, I thought the thing on top of the valve cover, with the hose attached to it going to the intake is a PVC valve, on every other car I've owned it's ever been like that. Also, in regards to the exhaust stud it is broken off inside the head, not very far in but far enough. The machine shop quoted me like 500 to repair it after I take the head out myself.. I'll try my luck first.
No, no PCV valve, it's a CCV setup, no little replaceable valve like you are thinking.
As far as the easy out, personally I would drill it dead center, then go with a bigger bit, then a bigger one till you get near the size you need then use a reverse drill bit, the remains may come out vs drilling then putting an easy out in there and if that one breaks [I currently run about 9 out of 10 breaks] you are stuck drilling an easy out of the hardest order. Once you get the remains out you can the rethread it with a tap. Actually I would use reverse drill bits for the whole thing, you might get lucky about the second size, especially if you heat the bolt hot just before you drill and it may back out while drilling.
If you went to a machine shop that wanted $500 for it does that include the KY lube along with the price or do you have to supply your own. For less than that you can get a new rebuilt head, that $500 is insane. Next time you go there don't drive your Rolls Royce or the Ferrari...borrow a neighbors Yugo.
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The leaking oil filter area is the O-ring assembly at the oil filter elbow guranteed. If it leaking at the filter like you say then this is the only thing that could cause that as its a fairly simple part. You'll need to order the O-ring kit froma dealership but its like $2 so not to bad. On the end of the elbow Theres a torx bit that need to be loosened and it will slide out. Its obvious what to replace from there. As for the stud being broken off, use a torch to heat it to a dull red and then, if theres enough meat left to grab a hold of, take some channels and try to back it out. If theres not enough to grab onto then use a reverse bit and drill it out. Thats the best way to get those things out. Lastly, welcome to WF!
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The leaking oil filter area is the O-ring assembly at the oil filter elbow guranteed. If it leaking at the filter like you say then this is the only thing that could cause that as its a fairly simple part. You'll need to order the O-ring kit froma dealership but its like $2 so not to bad. On the end of the elbow Theres a torx bit that need to be loosened and it will slide out. Its obvious what to replace from there. As for the stud being broken off, use a torch to heat it to a dull red and then, if theres enough meat left to grab a hold of, take some channels and try to back it out. If theres not enough to grab onto then use a reverse bit and drill it out. Thats the best way to get those things out. Lastly, welcome to WF!
Someone told me that the 2.5l 4 cylinder doesn't use that o-ring, or are they mistaken. If so I will order the kit and replace it. I am going to try a series of reverse drill bits and hope for the best. Worst care scenario is that I will drill it out and put a helicoil in the block. Do I replace the CCV valve? Or is it a permanent part.
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Someone told me that the 2.5l 4 cylinder doesn't use that o-ring, or are they mistaken. If so I will order the kit and replace it. I am going to try a series of reverse drill bits and hope for the best. Worst care scenario is that I will drill it out and put a helicoil in the block. Do I replace the CCV valve? Or is it a permanent part.
If your oil filter comes straight out of the block, in other words does NOT take a 90 degree turn and lay alongside the block then you have no O rings to replace.

Just for clarifications sake take a look at 4.0L 6 cylinder and compare it to your 4 cylinder, they take the same filters but the 4.0 has that bend or elbow in it.
I'll clarify a bit, I have 2 TJ's with 4 cylinder engines, a 98 Cherokee with a 4.0L 6 cylinder and a Grand cherokee with a 4.0L, the cherokee has the 90 degree bend in it, the two TJ's don't, they come pretty much straight out.
gotta go, in the middle of making a couple of big bowls of trifle for dessert for a dinner tomorrow nite..
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gotta go, in the middle of making a couple of big bowls of trifle for dessert for a dinner tomorrow nite..
Rich, I would be unwilling to publically admit I was in the middle of making trifle for a dinner party if I were you.

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Rich, I would be unwilling to publically admit I was in the middle of making trifle for a dinner party if I were you.

But it's to go with the haggis, it's a brit isles dinner and I just wanted to do something different than the old standby roast beef and yorkshire pudding or kidney pie.... I just got finished soaking the stomach which I do for 24 hours, gonna take me another 5 or 6 hours between cooking the pluck and getting it all ready to go.. it was tough finding pinbead oatmeal I gotta say... however it was a big sheep so I should get 10-12 servings out of it..
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OMG haggis too. I had haggis for the first time at the local Scottish Games last year and, well, I think I'll leave haggis for later in life when my taste buds may change. Sounds like a cool dinner afterall, ya know I was just yanking your chain anyway.
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OMG haggis too. I had haggis for the first time at the local Scottish Games last year and, well, I think I'll leave haggis for later in life when my taste buds may change. Sounds like a cool dinner afterall, ya know I was just yanking your chain anyway.
I know, I just hope it goes over well, I'm gonna do a 'grandma' type dinner, the first time I made venison I never told grandma what it was till after dinner.
I did find a cure for the smell though, half dozen moth balls in the vacum cleaner, helps with the 'atmosphere' while it's cooking immensely. it's very distracting when your cats start gagging...
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But it's to go with the haggis, it's a brit isles dinner and I just wanted to do something different than the old standby roast beef and yorkshire pudding or kidney pie.... I just got finished soaking the stomach which I do for 24 hours, gonna take me another 5 or 6 hours between cooking the pluck and getting it all ready to go.. it was tough finding pinbead oatmeal I gotta say... however it was a big sheep so I should get 10-12 servings out of it..
You know I could answer or explain what just about every part on a car truck or Jeep is or at least come close But I would have to goggle half of the food items mentioned above like WTH is a pluck and what are you doing with a sheep stomach???????????
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You know I could answer or explain what just about every part on a car truck or Jeep is or at least come close But I would have to goggle half of the food items mentioned above like WTH is a pluck and what are you doing with a sheep stomach???????????
You mean you have never had haggis ?!?!?!?!? oh for shame...
Short version, pluck is basically offal from a sheep and it's cooked in the sheeps stomach, think of it like the scottish version of a hot dog served family style using a sheep instead only instead of using the intestines for the hot dog casing you use the stomach
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You mean you have never had haggis ?!?!?!?!? oh for shame...
Short version, pluck is basically awful
Fixed it for ya Rich.
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Ok I think I am getting the picture now.I feel so deprived.....Ok maybe not but I do like trifle

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