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Old 09-21-2012, 04:30 PM   #31
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It isn't just a matter of safety, I peak my head out of the drivers door and check around me just fine without the doors on, but I am going to pick up a set of Harley mirrors just to be safe, especially if they are that easy just to throw on and off.

Also, as far as the legality of driving with your doors off, you guys should check out the thread "big day in court" where a Jeeper was fined $110 for driving without his doors off and it was upheld in court up in PA. Just some food for thought.

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Old 09-21-2012, 04:39 PM   #32
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the more i see these kinds of posts-i just kinda scratch my head in wonder. I have the 'CJ' style retro mirrors since they are my perminate mirrors w or w/o doors so i don't have to mess around with them. but what makes me wonder is why would want to drive w/o side mirrors-i probably use em more than the inside one. i could care less what's behind me, i'm more worried about what's comming up the sides of me-can't beleive the number of idiots that like to get to the rear/right of you and stay there-usually in a blind spot. maybe i just got used to using my side mirrors from towing my trailer(which i also added a rear cam to) but at 56'10" i have alot of 'side' to keep an eye on. to me it's more a safety issue and a fairly cheap one to fix, and knowing the kind of goof balls i share the road with on a daily basis, i want to be as safe a possible.
but to each their own-you may not see me, but i'll see you

Yep,, it is unbelievable to me as well,,, turn your head to see traffic ?? Are you nuts??? Or do you just like living dangerously?? And enjoy putting others in peril... Many many years ago, 1977 to be specific my jeepin friend told me to stop hanging on the roll bar, if we roll over you'll smash your fingers. So I held unto nothing or the Jesus bar. It was a good habit cause you don't want to instinctually grab for that rollbar while your rolling over... The same is true of mirrors, in that split second that you turn your head, left or right, not only could you die, but you may take some one out with you... Whatever happened to drivers ed courses? Get mirrors and learn to use them...

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Old 09-21-2012, 04:39 PM   #33
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Drivers side outside mirror is required and in some states if it came with a right side outside mirror then it has to be on there. In every state if the inside mirror is blocked due to load, like big spare, then the right outside mirror is no longer an option but is required. If you can get some old yj mirrors then can be mounted to the windshield using existing holes if I recall.
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Yep,, it is unbelievable to me as well,,, turn your head to see traffic ?? Are you nuts??? Or do you just like living dangerously?? And enjoy putting others in peril... Many many years ago, 1977 to be specific my jeepin friend told me to stop hanging on the roll bar, if we roll over you'll smash your fingers. So I held unto nothing or the Jesus bar. It was a good habit cause you don't want to instinctually grab for that rollbar while your rolling over... The same is true of mirrors, in that split second that you turn your head, left or right, not only could you die, but you may take some one out with you... Whatever happened to drivers ed courses? Get mirrors and learn to use them...
Mirrors don't always give you 100% visibility, especially your side mirrors. Mirrors or not I always check my blind spot before changing lanes. Like someone stated earlier you have idiots on the road that will just cruise in your blind spot, mirror or not you can't see them unless you turn your head.
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in Montana I used to drive my jeep on the highway, in the snow, at 3am, without doors or a windshield. I did have side mirrors. but a cop asked me at a stop light if I knew I was breaking the law, I told him I wasn't, he said good because your not. have fun. in Montana you only need mirrors if the vehicle came out of the factory with them. I think many other states are the same though.
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Yep,, it is unbelievable to me as well,,, turn your head to see traffic ?? Are you nuts??? Or do you just like living dangerously?? And enjoy putting others in peril... Many many years ago, 1977 to be specific my jeepin friend told me to stop hanging on the roll bar, if we roll over you'll smash your fingers. So I held unto nothing or the Jesus bar. It was a good habit cause you don't want to instinctually grab for that rollbar while your rolling over... The same is true of mirrors, in that split second that you turn your head, left or right, not only could you die, but you may take some one out with you... Whatever happened to drivers ed courses? Get mirrors and learn to use them...
Driver's Ed back in the 70s taught you to turn your head and look. And took points off if you didn't! So did the cop that road with you when you took your driving test!

There are places the mirrors won't give you a view of, and the only way to see them is to turn and look.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:13 PM   #39
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Driver's Ed back in the 70s taught you to turn your head and look. And took points off if you didn't! So did the cop that road with you when you took your driving test!

There are places the mirrors won't give you a view of, and the only way to see them is to turn and look.
Amen!! I took drivers-ed in early 2000 and they still make you look back... When you didn't instructor would say "oops you just ran over a kid, failed! Better luck next time." And I have found that a panoramic mirror allows you to see a lot!!! I will eventually add mirrors but until so I will be looking back!! ✌
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Mirrors don't always give you 100% visibility, especially your side mirrors. Mirrors or not I always check my blind spot before changing lanes. Like someone stated earlier you have idiots on the road that will just cruise in your blind spot, mirror or not you can't see them unless you turn your head.
I have no problem keeping my mirrors adjusted for 100% visibility, darn near 360 degrees of visibility. in our VW, or in my Rubi, unless the cooler is in the rack. When I'm in my big truck, I can see everything except what is directly behind me. This is obviously a pet peeve of mine, as there is no such thing as a blind spot if your mirrors are adjusted correctly and one knows how to use them. I hear drivers complain all the time about blind spots!! It's no wonder they complain, their outside mirrors are looking down the side of the vehicle instead of at the lane beside them, and to the back.. Sorry to be such a pain, but I have had way too much training, and have trained students, and fellow drivers in "safe" driving courses over the years.. Turning your head to check "blind spots" is a dangerous habit. What will that poor driver do when he finds himself in a panel truck for the first time? Or god forbid, a camper. There is no turning of the head checking for blind spots in those vehicles. He'll have to learn to use his mirrors in a manner that omits blind spots. I'm tired of hearing so called professional drivers complain of blind spots... They just do not exist.
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Driver's Ed back in the 70s taught you to turn your head and look. And took points off if you didn't! So did the cop that road with you when you took your driving test!

There are places the mirrors won't give you a view of, and the only way to see them is to turn and look.
Wrong,,, you are wrong,,, and they are wrong for teaching that way, if in fact they did. Oh, I remember my driver ed teacher mentioning it to me quite vividly, and I replied, "I've been hauling livestock for 2 years, if I turn my head I cant see anything, my mirrors are fine." She was impressed. And no cop in his right mind will take points off a driver for having his/her mirrors adjusted properly..
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took my drivers ed and 1st test back in 70, and if i recall, the looking back was when you were parked and getting ready to back out. you were also taught to check and adjust your mirrors b4 moving the vehicle. you were also taught to keep your eyes moving-not only to keep an eye on what was around you, but also to help prevent 'road fatigue' or road hypnomics or whatever you want to call it. if the instructor did not notice your eyes moving, you got called on it.
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Back in my day ( ) you were taught to look over your right shoulder because there was a blind spot. The blind spot was because the passenger side mirror was an option and maybe your daddy wasn't so rich to buy a Cadillac.

One more thing! The passenger side mirror was an easy option to live without because the rule of the road was KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS!
So, nobody would be coming up on yer right now would they?

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Wrong,,, you are wrong,,, and they are wrong for teaching that way, if in fact they did. Oh, I remember my driver ed teacher mentioning it to me quite vividly, and I replied, "I've been hauling livestock for 2 years, if I turn my head I cant see anything, my mirrors are fine." She was impressed. And no cop in his right mind will take points off a driver for having his/her mirrors adjusted properly..
I have a 16 year old who just got her license. We did parent taught driver's ed, which means I taught her how to drive and she did 30 hours of classroom online. They teach to turn and look. In fact, after her driving test, the examiner was going over the points deducted. In 2 instances, she used her mirrors instead of turning her head to look, so she got a point deducted. When explaining the point deducted for using her mirrors to back up, he said "Why would you use your mirrors? That's looking the wrong way, all the action is going on behind you, turn and look". I personally disagree with them, but it is what it is.
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There are some here that recommend using the mirrors and not turning your head to actually look? Really? I hope not.
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Wrong,,, you are wrong,,, and they are wrong for teaching that way, if in fact they did. Oh, I remember my driver ed teacher mentioning it to me quite vividly, and I replied, "I've been hauling livestock for 2 years, if I turn my head I cant see anything, my mirrors are fine." She was impressed. And no cop in his right mind will take points off a driver for having his/her mirrors adjusted properly..

Well, since you're Pennsylvania, then that means I won't have to look out for you. People that can't be bothered to see what's going on in the blind spots that mirrors provide usually have their heads attached to cell phones.

Keep your distance from those in front of you, stay aware of those around you and you can take looks to the side and behind when you turn or change lanes. And I really hope you're not driving a pickup and not looking around.
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Must be a JKU thing because my TJ says the doors and top don't provide protection..



I ran to the garage right now just to take this picture






And as of right now, I'm still doorless but not topless.. this south texas heat is killing me lol

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Taken from: http://ecomodder.com/wiki/index.php/..._by_State_(U.S.) idk if it is still reliable but it seems you only need to have one mirror

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Title 55: Chapter 9: Part 2 Required Equipment on Vehicles
55-9-206. Trucks to be equipped with rearview mirror. —
Any motor truck using the streets, roads, highways, and other public thoroughfares, which, by reason of its construction, either when loaded or unloaded, prevents the driver's view of the rear, shall be equipped with a mirror arranged in a manner and maintained so that the driver or operator may view the roadway to the rear and note the approach of vehicles from the rear of the motor truck.
[Acts 1923, ch. 53, § 1; Shan. Supp., § 1616a10; Code 1932, § 2709; T.C.A. (orig. ed.), § 59-921.]
55-9-207. Penalty for operating truck without rearview mirror. —
Any person driving a motor truck without a rearview mirror, and the owner of the motor truck, operated upon any public thorough fare, in violation of § 55-9-206, commits a Class C misdemeanor.
[Acts 1923, ch. 53, § 2; Shan. Supp., § 1616a11; Code 1932, § 2710; T.C.A. (orig. ed.), § 59-922; Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 113.]

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There are some here that recommend using the mirrors and not turning your head to actually look? Really? I hope not.
We can all agree to disagree,, let's hope while you are looking over your shoulder, the car in front of you doesn't come to an abrupt stop.. Or a deer run out suddenly, all it takes is fractions of seconds...
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Well, since you're Pennsylvania, then that means I won't have to look out for you. People that can't be bothered to see what's going on in the blind spots that mirrors provide usually have their heads attached to cell phones.

Keep your distance from those in front of you, stay aware of those around you and you can take looks to the side and behind when you turn or change lanes. And I really hope you're not driving a pickup and not looking around.
Actually I'm driving an 18wheeler, 3 million safe and scratchless miles... If I turn to look, I see bunk over my right shoulder, and over my right, I see the front wall of my wardrobe.. I'm done , to each his own...
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Actually I'm driving an 18wheeler, 3 million safe and scratchless miles... If I turn to look, I see bunk over my right shoulder, and over my right, I see the front wall of my wardrobe.. I'm done , to each his own...
Lol. That's the same reason I rely so much on my mirrors, I used to drive a truck. I taught my daughter to use all resources available to know what's going on around her vehicle, physically look and use mirrors as needed.
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We can all agree to disagree,, let's hope while you are looking over your shoulder, the car in front of you doesn't come to an abrupt stop.. Or a deer run out suddenly, all it takes is fractions of seconds...
It's called keeping a safe distance. I want to know what kind of mirrors you have where you have a 360 degree view. Also I takes a fraction of a second to adjust your radio, look at your speedometer, look at a road sign. You're telling me you don't o any of these things?
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Actually I'm driving an 18wheeler, 3 million safe and scratchless miles... If I turn to look, I see bunk over my right shoulder, and over my right, I see the front wall of my wardrobe.. I'm done , to each his own...
We're not all driving 18 wheelers. We are driving doorless topless jeeps.
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There are some here that recommend using the mirrors and not turning your head to actually look? Really? I hope not.
Im so use to driving without them I can tell when anything encroaches into my force field before I ever look. I can't hardly drive with em on my YJ, I feel like I have blinders on.
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Yeah, you're comparing apples to oranges here...with a doorless Jeep you can get pretty close to a 360 degree view by looking around and it can be done just as quickly as taking your eyes off the road to glance at your mirrors. With the doors on, you have a few more blind spots unless you use your mirrors (which I have small convex mirrors in the corners as well). With an 18 wheeler, I'd rely solely on my mirrors except for what's in front of me...definitely won't be seeing much of anything unless you're using the mirrors.
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Jeepers, this morning pulling through the gate onto Ft. Campbell, the MP at the gate told me "Sir, it is my duty to inform you that what you are currently doing is illegal." When I asked him to explain, he told me that I must have at least a mirror on my drivers side, with or without doors and driving with the doors off and no mirror was illegal and that I would be pulled over and ticketed if I did not comply. Is this the case, or was the guy just being a Jeep hater?

If so, any good places to find a set of mirrors that will go on without any doors?
If you were stopped by MPs the laws are different on military bases, motorcycle riders must wear helmets. If they tell you that you must have mirrors then it is probable a base law, and they're not being Jeep haters.
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Yeah, you're comparing apples to oranges here...with a doorless Jeep you can get pretty close to a 360 degree view by looking around and it can be done just as quickly as taking your eyes off the road to glance at your mirrors. With the doors on, you have a few more blind spots unless you use your mirrors (which I have small convex mirrors in the corners as well). With an 18 wheeler, I'd rely solely on my mirrors except for what's in front of me...definitely won't be seeing much of anything unless you're using the mirrors.
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Im at Ft Campbell too, I never got any problems in the 8 years and three wranglers since I have been here. One thing you have to remember, If it is a gate guard, who cares, If it was an MP then thats another thing. The gate guards get on mall cop kind of power trips. I go in mabry gate, driving from Cadiz though, so they really are only MP's, and they never say anything.
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Must be a JKU thing because my TJ says the doors and top don't provide protection..

I ran to the garage right now just to take this picture

And as of right now, I'm still doorless but not topless.. this south texas heat is killing me lol
Look at that beautiful truck in the background!

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