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Old 05-06-2008, 04:37 PM   #1
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non-selectable lockers and snow

thinking about getting 2 lockrights for my new d44 and a hp d30 that im getting regeared later this month..

i live in indiana and we have about 3-4 months that we can get snow.. and up to a foot of snow at sometimes..

who runs auto lockers in snow? and what are your opinions

i want arb lockers f&r.. im debating on if i should just wait and get them in the future..

the guy is charging me 200 an axle to regear and if i get lockers he won't charge me any extra.. the downfall is the guy lives in ohio.. the cheapest place i found in town is 350 PER axle.. not including if i wanted a locker added in..

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IMO automatic lockers are dangerous on the road when you use 4H in snow.
that´s why i waited until i had the money for twi ARB lockers.

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First, I would DEFINITELY not install a Lockright (or an Aussie or EZ-Locker) into the rear axle. The rear axle constantly provides torque through the locker (as opposed to the front axle that only sees it in 4x4) so a rear Lockright would have terrible street manners. The same with the Aussie but it would be even worse with an EZ-Locker. If you can't afford a full-case locker for the rear like a Detroit, the only lunchbox locker that is remotely decently behaved when installed in the rear axle is a Powertrax No-Slip. I wouldn't even consider any other lunchbox locker for the rear.

In the front, any of them are "ok" in 2wd but you'll know any of them are there with the exception of the No-Slip which is better behaved up front as well. Few people mind the behavior of the Aussie or Lockright up front though so whether the extra $100 for the No-Slip is worth it depends on how much you mind a little quirky handling/clicking once in a while. The only lunchbox locker I wouldn't recommend for front or rear is the notoriously poor behaving EZ-Locker.

A No-Slip in the rear and an Aussie or Lockrite would be the best choice if you're really stuck on the lower cost of lunchbox lockers.

But in snow or on icey roads, I wouldn't plan on using 4x4 because a front automatic locker will make steering very dicey. A locked front axle will cause understeer for sure in 4x4, and the same understeer can happen from a rear automatic locker, just to a slightly lesser extent.

If you have the money, front and rear selectable lockers would be best since you have to drive on snow that much of the year. Selectable lockers are really the best choice for winter conditions, front and rear automatic lockers like the No-Slip/Aussie/Lockright/No-Slip can be real handfuls when you're in 4x4 on slick roads. They can even cause problems when you're in 2wd. Go with selectables if there's any way at all.
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Ah, jerry a rear lockright is no worse than cruising with a Detroit in the rear. They unload much less than a Detroit will. As soon as you let off the pedal or push the clutch in they unlock and going around corners is no problem. Does either of them take getting used to? Yup, but nothing serious. Now start talking spool or mini-spool and you definitely don't want one of those sitting behind you in a DD.

As far as the auto lockers in snow or ice? I wouldn't do it. But that's just me.
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Ah, jerry a rear lockright is no worse than cruising with a Detroit in the rear.
Well, my TJ has had a rear Detroit Locker for close to 100,000 miles now and it's relatively well behaved when compared to a TJ with a rear Lockright which I've driven a whole bunch of times. I barely notice my Detroit Locker but I hate driving the TJ that has the rear Lockrite which is downright annoying (on the street) in my personal opinion. The one Jeep with a rear Aussie I've driven was about the same as the Lockright which makes sense since they're essentially the same exact product.
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Well, my TJ has had a rear Detroit Locker for close to 100,000 miles now and it's relatively well behaved when compared to a TJ with a rear Lockright which I've driven a whole bunch of times. I barely notice my Detroit Locker but I hate driving the TJ that has the rear Lockrite which is downright annoying (on the street) in my personal opinion. The one Jeep with a rear Aussie I've driven was about the same as the Lockright which makes sense since they're essentially the same exact product.
And my TJ was DD for about 4 years with a rear lockright and I think it acts exactly as you are describing from your Detroit. I'm sure if I drove yours around with the Detroit (is it a regular Detroit or the soft locker or whatever they call it?) I would think it acts way crazier than mine. I've noticed especially in rigs with a manual that the Detroit wants to unload everytime they shift. They will also unload enough to get peoples attention around you.

It's just all what we are used to and what we've driven for a long time.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:54 PM   #7
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yah.. i decided just to wait until i can afford super axle kits with the arb..

around 1100 a piece.. so its going to be on my build sheet for next summer..

regearing to 4.56s alone will set me back on getting control arms.. but its well worth it imo..

looks like im going with a currie setup instead of a la setup

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