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Old 05-11-2014, 07:45 PM   #1
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Angry Now I See Why...

Why most hard core Jeepers look at my Jeep and shake their heads. After spending lots of time reading the many threads - I own a money pit!! plain and simple. A Lilac colored piece of !!

1.) The OEM rear drive shaft is too shot for the RC JUNK Lift Kit.

2.) The OEM rear track bar is much too short, closer look shows the passenger side rear wheel with about 2 inches of space from the tire to the coil spring. Whereas the driver's side rear wheel only has about an inch of space between the tire and the coil spring. It's a funky ride off roading!

3.) Front axle is off center. Driver's side coil spring is in-line but the passenger side spring is rubbing the stop block.

4.) LED under vehicle lights, they don't work when coated with mud.

5.) No rear bumper and a hitch receiver that sticks out like a soar thumb.

6.) Wrong spare tire/wheel. Can't use 4WD with that installed.



Everything about my Jeep is all totally wrong. Wrong color too for a guy - so I am told. Oh well... will get my moneys worth out of it, trade it in for a much MUCH better built Wrangler later on. Only have 16 payments left to go. May just pay it off early and start a new loan.

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Why most hard core Jeepers look at my Jeep and shake their heads. After spending lots of time reading the many threads - I own a money pit!! plain and simple. A Lilac colored piece of !!

1.) The OEM rear drive shaft is too shot for the RC JUNK Lift Kit.

2.) The OEM rear track bar is much too short, closer look shows the passenger side rear wheel with about 2 inches of space from the tire to the coil spring. Whereas the driver's side rear wheel only has about an inch of space between the tire and the coil spring. It's a funky ride off roading!

3.) Front axle is off center. Driver's side coil spring is in-line but the passenger side spring is rubbing the stop block.

4.) LED under vehicle lights, they don't work when coated with mud.

5.) No rear bumper and a hitch receiver that sticks out like a soar thumb.

6.) Wrong spare tire/wheel. Can't use 4WD with that installed.




Everything about my Jeep is all totally wrong. Wrong color too for a guy - so I am told. Oh well... will get my moneys worth out of it, trade it in for a much MUCH better built Wrangler later on. Only have 16 payments left to go. May just pay it off early and start a new loan.
1.- SYE (gonna have to put one in the new jeep if you lift it anyways)
2.- Adjustable rear track bar (should have if youre lifted with a SYE anyways)
3.- Again, Adjustable front track bar is needed when you lift OR redrill the OEM location as a bandaid (free)
4.- lose them (free)
5.- get one used or from the wreckers
6.-find a used spare that is the right size.
why trade it in for someone elses project? spend the time, and build it yourself...it's much more satisfying

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Old 05-11-2014, 09:30 PM   #3
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Why are you giving up so easily? If the frame & body is clean and it fires on all cylinders, be thankful.
When I bought my jeep I paid for a rust bucket with an engine that would quit on me 9 months later. Since then I've repaired the rotted out frame 2 different times and put a new 4.0 in it. And I loved every minute of it.
That's MUCH more of a money pit than a jeep this just needs some TLC. As stated before, just instal a SYE, replace the lift or heck, go back to stock if you want. Throw on some trac bar relocation brackets, get a bumper & matching spare from a junk yard, rip out those lights and enjoy it. A lot easier and cheaper than just looking to buy another built rig that fits your tastes. This is also a good lesson as to why people prefer getting stock jeeps and modding it themselves. When you've cut out the possibility of poorly-installed mods, you have to look for a lot less.
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Many of your problems stem from how tall your lift is. Have you considered lowering it to a 4" setup? You will still have these problems but they will be minimized. Some selective parts purchases, whether new or used, would go a long way toward getting your rig "right". And the color is great. I think you have a nice TJ, but you *do* need to address the issues your very tall lift is creating in your driveline. Keep it. Stop hating on it. Build it. You will be much happier in the end if you do this.

And also, learn from my mistakes: do NOT buy a "built" jeep. It is likely just as odd as yours as even pro shops put stuff on incorrectly or compromise to make a customer's parts choice work together. And most of us do fairly good work, but if the PO did the work there is literally telling how it was done, quality-wise. It is a huge question mark and, frankly, not worth the risk.

If you must sell this and start again, look for a really clean, stock 4.0L Sport with the goodies you want, like a Dana 44 rear end. Then go nuts modding it. (Hint - many times you can tell how abused a TJ has been by how hardcore the seller is off road. If the plastic milk jugs are still on both stock bumpers there is a fair chance the transfer case is still mostly unused and it has been driven very mildly off road - or maybe even not at all. This will get you a very clean TJ in many cases. Not always, mind you, but usually it is a good indication. The opposite is also true - a really built jeep has probably been beat on pretty hard and might not be a good choice for you. It might have great gear on it, but if most of that is in need of replacement then you are stuck with a rig that still needs all the stuff the clean, street TJ would need, AND it has an engine that might need a clutch, or have lots of other issues.

Best of luck in sorting your situation. I personally would keep your nice rig and alter it to suit your tastes and needs. AND DO NOT LET THE BIG MOUTHS OF OTHERS MAKE YOU HATE ON YOUR OWN TJ!!! ;-)
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Why spend more money and get another Jeep when most of your issues can be fixed by going with a better properly done lift. Getting rid of the 6" lift and 34" tires(if not geared right) to a smaller lift and tires would make it much more pleasurable to own and drive. The color is not bad but the lift is:



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The tires in the photo also look like 30s to me. Maybe 31s. Compare them to the door. My 33s are much larger compared to the door. OP, are you claiming that these are just one inch smaller than 35s, or do you have different tires than what you show here?

What do the sidewalls say about the size?

Here is a photo of my TJ with a 4" lift (only 2" shorter than yours) with 33s (which are an inch smaller than you say yours are). Not quite the same. I doubt that your 2" taller lift would make 34s look that tiny. I think that the photos show 30s. Anyway, compare mine to yours.
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I find it hard to believe that those are 34" tires. They look so small.....
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I agree your tires certainly look smaller then 34".

I don't see a problem with the color. It's a jeep they are known for outstanding colors. I was not pleased with my yellow jeeps color either. When you buy used color was not my real concern. When I'm returning from a long hike there has been many times I've spotted my jeep in the distance. Kind of a relief to know I'm a mile or two from my ride.

As far as the drive shaft $300 will get you a new one with the CV joint. If you don't already have a CV joint on your drive shaft there will be a little more of a expense to install.

It looks like someone started a project and sold it to you before it was fully completed.

I'd suggest doing the remainder of the build.
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EDIT: I feel like an idiot! Looking at the wrong numbers - DAH! Yeah, they are 31's. Photos coming soon to prove I was wrong.

The frame and drive train is in good condition. I have been told the body is well taken care of for being a 1998 model. Very little rust on the body. I give it a coat of Nu Finish every couple times a year.

Overall I do like the Jeep, just been getting allot of negatives about it from others. I kinda like the colour - it's unique and seems to be one of a kind. I have yet to see one in that colour. I don't have a money tree growing out back, so the things I like to do to it will have to wait. I'll have more money when the loan is paid off.
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The tires in the photo also look like 30s to me. Maybe 31s. Compare them to the door. My 33s are much larger compared to the door. OP, are you claiming that these are just one inch smaller than 35s, or do you have different tires than what you show here?

What do the sidewalls say about the size?

Here is a photo of my TJ with a 4" lift (only 2" shorter than yours) with 33s (which are an inch smaller than you say yours are). Not quite the same. I doubt that your 2" taller lift would make 34s look that tiny. I think that the photos show 30s. Anyway, compare mine to yours.
Yours being a 4 inch lift means mine MUST be much higher than a 6 inch lift.

I just went out to the garage and they are 31's. (Edit: Photos coming soon) There is no body lift. I can see where the body bolts to the frame. I have aluminum spacers on the bottom of those massive coils.
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Like cub_driver's Jeep, mine is also yellow. Was not my first choice by any means especially with the gray and black Wilderness stripe on both sides. And yes I've considered changing it. But you know what? The color grew on me and I absolutely love my Jeep's color knowing there is no other Jeep like it coming straight from the factory. Only downside is summer when people try to hit me because my Jeep blends in with the sun
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Now this is the right size.


This is the Goodyear Wrangler spare tire, possibly the factory original.
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WX you can measure your actual lift by the springs. 12" is stock height for the front anything past is your actual suspension spring height. I wouldn't care what other people say because they don't pay your bills. There will -always- be a hater for any reason. "Why do you drive that if it doesn't get good gas? You spent that much money on it after you bought it? Why do you keep changing stuff to it did you buy something broken?" Have it love it enjoy it because you'll only have one chance to own it before it's too late.
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Every man has some kind of "Big Boy Toy" and this is mine.

The only thing I am seeing in my 4WD catalog within a reasonable price is Old man Emu suspension for $903.87. It's recommended for 31" tires. From what I can see it only comes with the shocks & springs. I see no RC stuff in this catalog.But this is all new stuff. Probably can find something cheaper, but good quality buying used. I'd like to lower it some as it is difficult for me to getting inside. And I am 6 foot 3 inches. Even more so ""IF"" I ever had a girlfriend whom is short. That's a might be IF. Won't get into that.
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Every man has some kind of "Big Boy Toy" and this is mine.

The only thing I am seeing in my 4WD catalog within a reasonable price is Old man Emu suspension for $903.87. It's recommended for 31" tires. From what I can see it only comes with the shocks & springs. I see no RC stuff in this catalog.But this is all new stuff. Probably can find something cheaper, but good quality buying used. I'd like to lower it some as it is difficult for me to getting inside. And I am 6 foot 3 inches. Even more so ""IF"" I ever had a girlfriend whom is short. That's a might be IF. Won't get into that.
Before you go "shopping"

1. What is your budget including installation if you are not doing it yourself?

2. What are you planning to do with your Jeep, all street or off-road and what kind of off road?

3. Do you plan on chaning the tire size?

Yes you can spend a lot of money on Cure, Savvy, EMU etc and they are good but if they do not fit your budget and or you really do not need an all out suspension for your needs, there are other lower cost alternatives such as BDS and Zone.

(4wd is not the only place to shop)

The question is also, what else is on there that you would have to replace? Are the control arms still stock?
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Before you go "shopping"

1. What is your budget including installation if you are not doing it yourself?

2. What are you planning to do with your Jeep, all street or off-road and what kind of off road?

3. Do you plan on chaning the tire size?

Yes you can spend a lot of money on Cure, Savvy, EMU etc and they are good but if they do not fit your budget and or you really do not need an all out suspension for your needs, there are other lower cost alternatives such as BDS and Zone.

(4wd is not the only place to shop)

The question is also, what else is on there that you would have to replace? Are the control arms still stock?
1.) Nothing is in my budget right now other than replacing the aged flares and installing an adjustable rear track bar.

2.) Winter driving & summer off roading. Such as 2-tracks, old logging trails, state forest trails (open to the public), Back country gravel roads, towing the trailer (or a small boat later on). I have no desire to drive in deep mud, crossing deep rivers or mountain climbing.

3.) No. 31's are expensive enough.

I know there are other places to shop. There are local garages here that sell used components from other customers whom wanted to go higher with bigger tires/rims. There is also Ebay Motors, Craigs lists. And U-Wrench-It salvage yards. Which I think they are under new ownership - LKQ I think.

For now I would like to keep the rear axle from "Dog Legging" when I hit a big bump or dip. To eliminate that the short non-adjustable (OEM stock) rear track bar needs to be replaced. It is mounted in a relocation bracket, but the track bar is still too short.

The adjustable control arms are not stock, they are part of the RC lift kit. Uppers and lowers - front and back. Front track bar is adjustable and was replaced when the original owner had the lift kit installed. The front drive shaft was also replaced with a slightly longer shaft. It is the rear drive shaft and rear track bar that was not replaced. Those are original to the stock suspension. The brake lines have extended length brake hoses.
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Hey man, let me tell you. Get JK springs and shocks dude. A lot of people will give me shit for saying this, but whatever I like it.

I bought stock springs and shocks off a JK Sahara. Lifted my jeep 3", for $50. Now, I did have to get a 2" BB to level out the front end, so grand total is $80. Doesn't that sound a little better than $903? Now, granted, I don't offroad that often, but when I have it hasn't hindered my abilities. My lift was more cosmetic, or the "coolness" factor.
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IMO, for your usage and budget, your best option is to find someone locally in a jeep club or CL to swap your lift for stock components. You will be much happier and probably won't cost you a dime besides labor. I think most of your looks from other Jeepers are from a ridiculous high lift with only 31" tires. You don't need a lift for your type of driving and 31" tires. On a side note, lightly sand the flares and rattlecan it with either krylon satin black or rustoleum bedliner. No need for replacement just because they are faded.
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also remove milk jugs, it will fix a lot of your problems.
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I think Wattapunk has given you some good advice. Contact a local jeep club and ask around. Or call a couple 4&4 specialty shops thy throw stock gear away all the time. Folks install a new lift and have no need for the old stock equipment.
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Guys at work highly suggest getting Pro Comp Xtreme M/T2 tires in a size 35X12.50R15. That should fill up the gap in the wheel wells they said. To get the front axle align they said to just tweak the adjustable upper/lower control arms. As the the rear axle, they suggest getting an adjustable rear track bar. I already plan on doing that ASAP.

This is an off road built vehicle and since I already have a (cargo) van, no real reason to lower it - I guess. Tires may be the easiest way to make it look better and possibly cheaper. Depending on what brand to buy & where to buy 'em.

The tires that were on the Jeep when I got it were 34x18.0 Mickey Thompson Baja. I didn't like the balloon ride and was told those would be terrible driving on snow covered icy roads.

All very good advice and will soak it all up and decide what I'll do. Right now - nothing, it's simply not in my budget. Will look into the rear adjustable track bar and get that ASAP. I did manage to get some of the Zerk fittings to work and got grease in those squeaky joints. Need a super sized wrench to break the backing nuts loose on the adjustable control arms and try to adjust the front axle - one control arm at a time. Try to do most of the work myself and save some bucks.

I do appreciate everyone's advice, will research everything on the table & will decide what avenue I'll take. My company states there will be lots of overtime coming in a few more months. If so, then any plans of changing stuff on my Jeep may happen sooner. So it's just a wait and see game for now.
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No offence but the guys at work are probably not Jeep guys. Putting on 35" tires will compound your problems and not fix anything besides that wheel well gap. I can tell you that your costs and problems will increase 3-4x by throwing on 35" tires without the proper gearing and axles to handle it. You still have your current issues to deal with much more costs of going from 31" tires to 35" tires. My $0.02, swap for stock and start from ground zero with no issues and gradually build the lift from there. I would stick with a small 2-3" lift and go no bigger than 33's if geared right. Pricing 35" tires alone would scare most.
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You need to remove the ridiculous body lift. You may not can afford a proper lift at this time with all that it takes to do it right but you could probably gather stock components for dirt cheap and go back to NO lift.

What you have is a hazard to yourself and everybody that shares the road with you. That is why you are being looked at.

I like the color BTW and I am sure with some knowledgeable TLC it would be a fine steed.

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Looks like you've gotten all the advice you need. I would work on the safety things over cosmetic. If you say you have no body lift but do have spacers, take the spacers out. That should lower you a bit. Watch CL. I troll it on a daily basis. I picked up an adjustable track bar for $40. Tires are cheap there to. Work on trading stuff as mentioned. You can keep the budget to a minimum on a lot of stuff. If nothing else, do not worry about what other people think about your Jeep. When they start making payments for it then their opinion will matter. Good luck!
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You need to remove the ridiculous body lift. You may not can afford a proper lift at this time with all that it takes to do it right but you could probably gather stock components for dirt cheap and go back to NO lift.

What you have is a hazard to yourself and everybody that shares the road with you. That is why you are being looked at.

I like the color BTW and I am sure with some knowledgeable TLC it would be a fine steed.

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Now look at what I got to replace that. '05 Chevy Astro cargo van with a shotload of problems. Had work done on the rear axle that was driving with no gear oil. Rear brakes completely disconnected. Being an automatic, obviously the park brakes NEVER get used like they do on a vehicle with a manual transmission. All the shocks were damaged from apparently driven way too fast on gravel roads - all 4 replaced. Brake pads wear out prematurely as the glide bolts are stripped out. So I can't replace the glide pins as they are probably rusted causing the pads to wear unevenly. Will have to replace 3 of the 4 calipers soon. One is new since it was missing all together when I got the van. Now I'm having issues with the ABS. Service Engine light comes on do to what appears to be a Cat on the exhaust, but after removing the turbo muffler, it is only a shell of a Cat. Nothing inside to scrub the exhaust gasses. It's suppose to have a pre cat and main cat. The most ironic thing I notice is the van had 20W-60 oil. No wonder I only got 12 mpg with it. I've been using the recommended 5W-30 oil and am getting 19 mpg. A far cry from my '01 Ranger which easily got 28 mpg.

Really can't complain too much - I only paid $850 for that van. Cargo vans usually hold their value.

The only spacers are on the rear coils. Did remove them once and the back end sagged down like it was overloaded.

Adjustable track bar will help allot of handling issues. You can really feel how that short stock track bar plays hell with the handling when driving on the trails. I also notice yesterday that the bolt on adapter (relocator) is coming loose again. Will have to take it to a local welder and get that welded on. I've tighten those bolts many times, even used thread locker compound. But one is way too small for the application and keeps loosening up. Not very well designed.
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I really do hope that you go with the advice given and get to keep and enjoy the Jeep, especially if it's built right. I do sense that you are leaning towards the awful advice of the work buddies that suggest to just throw on some 35" tires and a new track bar will fix all your issues.(Just by reading your posts)
You went from initially seeking help here and wanting to sell the jeep to now probably keeping the lift since it's your toy vehicle since you have a cargo van. You now stated the van have issues with it.
I'm afraid this will not end well.
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We just bought my Jeep for my wife. From a guy that lives near the beach. I was worried about rust, but no problem! The leaking transmission pan has spewed oil all over the bottom to prevent rust! Lol! I dropped the tranny pan this weekend and changed the filter and gasket. All good now. Just saying I love working on it and make it into what you want.
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I really do hope that you go with the advice given and get to keep and enjoy the Jeep, especially if it's built right. I do sense that you are leaning towards the awful advice of the work buddies that suggest to just throw on some 35" tires and a new track bar will fix all your issues.(Just by reading your posts)
You went from initially seeking help here and wanting to sell the jeep to now probably keeping the lift since it's your toy vehicle since you have a cargo van. You now stated the van have issues with it.
I'm afraid this will not end well.
Don't know what the h*ll I'm going to do with it! Got more suggestions and ideas than my mind can handle. Probably just roll it off of some steep embankment and watch it tumble to it's death. Or make a bonfire around it. Have the insurance company total it out and take that money as a down payment to by myself a wimpy little 2wd Ford Ranger pickup. Give up this whole Jeep BS. I didn't think it was going to come to this. Nobody is going to be happy unless it's stripped down to plain Jane basics and repainted in jet black or some other colour. If I gotta do all that then it!
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:39 PM   #29
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Big idea I was told today is to remove the gutless 4.0 inline six and that crappy 5 speed manual. Put in a GM 454 V-8 with twin Rochester Quadrajet carbs, a heavy duty 3 speed auto and get a decent custom build heavy duty transfer case. Then install at least Dana 44 axles. You'll then have a real, powerful and KOOL looking Jeep

WHATEVER! OMG!
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:49 PM   #30
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Dude, Relax ! Keep the Jeep and do a little at a time. Do a bit of research and get some ideas or help from a local Jeep Club.
Jeep people will always help you get something done. It's what we do !
Here, take this and make a plan that suits YOU.

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