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Old 09-06-2009, 04:42 PM   #1
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Cool Nth degree lift

just wanted to know if anyone has one and how they like it. when they first came out i thought they were cool, looked very well put together and designed. but how are they i know AEV bought them and are now selling there line of products. and right now they only list a lift for wranglers with a D44 but they dont list the height of it or if another is made for the d35 equiped wranglers. so anyone???????

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Old 09-07-2009, 08:06 PM   #2
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I don't own one but I wheel with people that do. I have never heard anything negative about the performance. Only good stuff. But I have heard that they are expensive and hard to install.

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Old 09-07-2009, 10:48 PM   #3
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I would get something that is more off the shelf, vs limited production.
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Old 09-07-2009, 11:11 PM   #4
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Don't have one. Don't know anyone with one.

That said, I just got off a trail and was held up for over two hours by a group of jeeps that had Nth degree lifts that were fixing one of them on the trail. Seemed to be a good lift but with a need for talented welders in proximity...
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:12 AM   #5
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2 major issues with that setup in my opinion.

1....Too many friggin parts. They all bolt to something or other. There's just too much going on.

2.... They didn't design enough anti-squat into it. Any kind of climbing and it sucks the back down and causes the front to lift tires. Of course I'm also not a fan of the radius arm setup at all.

And yes I post this from experience with it.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:50 PM   #6
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hea thanks for all the info guys. i realy just want a lift that handles good on the street and dose good on the trail as well. so any recomendations???
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:07 PM   #7
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rough country cheep entry level lift. got the 4 in put it all on in my driveway with air tool and hand tool.
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I'm a mechanical engineer and I work in the jeep aftermarket and these opinions are my personal experience based on this context. I don't have any stake in AEV or Nth products and this is just my personal feeling after having been around jeeps for about a decade.

AEV is a top notch company with great resources. They are one of the few in the aftermarket who can actually engineer a product to the same standard as factory and even better. Many of the employees come directly from within Chrysler. When they bought Nth they also got the guy who was the owner and head engineer for all the suspension systems. From what I understand the owner/engineer at Nth was one of the engineers on the original TJ project at Chrysler. He has had decades of experience with vehicle dynamics.

I've also driven an Nth degree equipped jeep on 37s and ProRock 60s which was build by Xtreme Rubicons in CA. Now, I've driven a lot of jeeps and this one set the standard for what I want from my own. 80 mph in the fast lane and not a care in the world. It felt like driving a stock truck. I didn't even think about it and stuff like an emergency lane change wasn't a concern.

Now, about anti squat. This is one of those numbers which is easy to estimate for the home fabricator but you've got to understand that engineering a suspension is much more complex than just picking an number for anti squat. In my experience the Nth kit has plenty of anti squat and it hooks up quite well. I even know guys breaking high pinion 60 gears in the rear with a hemi motor and they seem to think it might be because the stinger type arm hooks up just a bit too well. The Nth degree kit is going to be one of the best tuned kits out there "from the box". Not that you couldn't do better for "your exact truck" spending hours playing with link position, coil overs, and bypass shocks but most guys just don't have the time for that... have you ever looked at the Coilover bible at pirate 4x4... just nailing down a ride frequency for the front and rear end could suck up months before you are happy with your truck for your type of wheeling and driving...

Now... I'm not saying it is a simple system or quick and easy to install. If you're working in a garage with basic hand and power tools it will not get done in one weekend. The system is complex but that is half the fun of owning a jeep. Just like the rest of the truck you might break something when you push it. I always bring a ready welder with me for the trail because I drive to it and back.

Shoot... that was a much longer than I had expected to post and this isn't intended to get anybody heated... just a personal opinion...
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Nah, no one getting heated here. I fully understand where Nth came from and where AEV is.

I think you also proved my point about the anti-squat issue. There isn't enough and keeps all the weight transferred to the rear (using laymens terms) which causes the front to unload too much and more than the requisite load on the rear axle which as you stated guys are breaking HP60 gears. Of course that also could be the Hemi and the way their foot gets heavier with 60's.

Out here in AZ we do pretty much 100% rock crawling and the one Nth kit that I have come in contact with on a regular basis has not impressed me at all. I'm personally partial to Rock Krawler suspension systems and am very happy mine. As you stated that's all that really matters though.

However I think at times Billavista gets a little long winded in his explanations. But the tech and stone cold facts of his articles are PERFECT and I use his work on a regular basis.

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