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Old 06-15-2009, 09:42 AM   #1
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Oil, who's using what?

I'm changing the oil in the jeep this weekend and I thought I'd start a post to see what everyones using.

maybe not the most exciting topic, but relevant nonetheless.

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Old 06-15-2009, 09:48 AM   #2
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valvoline max life 10w30, wix or mopar filter.

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oh trust me...I've seen Motor oil threads get pretty exciting. lol. Some heated debates about regular oil vs. synthetic.

I personally use Mobil 1 synthetic. Why?? because the original owner used it since new. So he says. I checked my oil the other day and after 4000 miles its still goldish brown color.

I lot of others prefer to use just plain old regular oil. And it seems to be fine with them.
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this is my first one with my TJ, i've read that since i have the 2.4L engine I only need 5 quarts of 5w30 as opposed to 6quarts of 10w30 that the 4.0L require.
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Boring conventional Valvoline 10W-30 for me too, and I like to use either AC-Delco Duraguard or Purolator PureOne oil filters. Wix is another good brand of oil filter but I don't see them in my area. Until I move where it gets cold enough to turn conventional motor oil to molasses, I won't bother paying more for synthetic. In my personal opinion, synthetic's only true benefit is when when it's uber cold where synthetic motor oil is then worth its weight in gold.

Jeepdoc, were you aware that since Pennzoil changed to their "Purebase" formulation that sludge is no longer an issue with Pennzoil as it used to be? I used to avoid Pennzoil too but not since their formulation changed probably 10-15 years ago.
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valvoline max life 10w30, wix or mopar filter.

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Not to be a suck-up, but I'm using what Mr. Bransford uses (which I do anyway, without knowing that's what he uses) He seems to be pretty educated on just about every topic since I joined up here.
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Old 06-15-2009, 11:34 AM   #9
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Pennzoil 100 % synthetic. It was on sale. & K&N oil filter (made in USA).

I believe Wix brand filters are what NAPA uses as their house brand (I was told this by a NAPA employee).
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honestly i never bothered with penzoil ever since i heard perafin based, and disassembled engines that used penzoil that were completely sludged up.

wix filters are sold as napa gold, carquest blue, lee bumper to bumper also. i have heard good things from puralator also, those are the only few filters i would consider.
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honestly i never bothered with penzoil ever since i heard perafin based...
Yes indeed, it used to be paraffin based but that hasn't been the case for many years now. The paraffin base is what went away when Pennzoil went to their Purebase formulation a number of years ago. Pennzoil is now no more likely to cause sludge than my favorite Valvoline is.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:19 PM   #12
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i either use mobil 1, or AMS Oil. then with a WIX filter.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:25 PM   #13
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Personally I use a full syn.

There are alot of good oils out there today.

However, I believe it's not as important as to what you use, but rather that you keep it clean.
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Last oil change I used regular Mobil dino and a Mobil 1 filter
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oh trust me...I've seen Motor oil threads get pretty exciting. lol. Some heated debates about regular oil vs. synthetic.

I personally use Mobil 1 synthetic. Why?? because the original owner used it since new. So he says. I checked my oil the other day and after 4000 miles its still goldish brown color.

I lot of others prefer to use just plain old regular oil. And it seems to be fine with them.
Synthetic oil is better than regular for all reasons, applications, and any other erroneous ends you can think of. This can not be disputed. Period. Synthetic oils are superior because of their molecular structure. Instead of the structure of the oil being chaotic like it is in a conventional oil, they are all uniform. This is where Mobil 1 gets "It works like liquid ball bearings." That is precisely what it is. This also increases the oil's flash point exponentially and it eliminates engine wear by at LEAST 75 - 85 %. Period.

Conventional oils are a dinosaur (no pun intended) and should not be used anymore in new vehicles. Ever. These oils burn, they leave sludge, they allow for more wear, and they're crap. As aforementioned, conventional should not be used in NEW engines.

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Synthetic oils are not only molecularly perfect and uniform, but those molecules are very small. Any tolerance too large in the engine, and the oil WILL pass through it. This means gaskets, piston rings, etc... This is why synthetics MUST be used since new. Old wives tales will tell you that you cannot switch to a synthetic after you have used a conventional. This is complete and utter bull$h1t. If you have a vehicle with less than 40,000 miles, switch to full synthetic NOW. If your vehicle is higher in mileage, your piston ring tolerances are too large to accommodate the synthetic.

I got my Jeep at a higher mileage, and I do not know if it had been using conventional in it or not, (I'm willing to bet it was using conventional oil though, since the owner had it bare bones base model and was probably too much of a cheapskate to buy synthetic) therefore I use Castrol GTX 10w30 in my 2.5. Castrol GTX is the ONLY conventional oil that has a flash point even near comparable to a synthetic.

ok, that's the end of my rant
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I actually did work at Jiffy Lube for a few years, but the data I've displayed above is representative of independent experimentation and experience. Jiffy Lube uses Pennzoil. Pennzoil is garbage.
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I got my Jeep at a higher mileage, and I do not know if it had been using conventional in it or not, (I'm willing to bet it was using conventional oil though, since the owner had it bare bones base model and was probably too much of a cheapskate to buy synthetic) therefore I use Castrol GTX 10w30 in my 2.5. Castrol GTX is the ONLY conventional oil that has a flash point even near comparable to a synthetic.

ok, that's the end of my rant[/QUOTE]

I also got my jeep at a higher mileage, 78,000 when I got her. I ended up having Firestone give me an oil change because I was heading to Northern Michigan ( 700 miles roundtrip) and it was raining so I couldn't do it myself.

Anyways, does this mean that I can't start putting Mobil 1 in because I don't know if the last owner used synthetic or conventional? Does anyone know what Firestone uses? Thanks
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Synthetic oil is better than regular for all reasons, applications, and any other erroneous ends you can think of. This can not be disputed. Period. Synthetic oils are superior because of their molecular structure. Instead of the structure of the oil being chaotic like it is in a conventional oil, they are all uniform. This is where Mobil 1 gets "It works like liquid ball bearings." That is precisely what it is. This also increases the oil's flash point exponentially and it eliminates engine wear by at LEAST 75 - 85 %. Period.
I totally disagree but then we are all entitled to our own personal opinions. Synthetic is not better for "all reasons" nor is it better for all applications. It is better is some applications but not all. In fact, there is at least one application in which a synthetic has been tested to be not as good as dino. But I'm not looking to get into an argument over this since it's apparent your mind is made up and closed to anything else besides synthetic is best at everything. But you used to work at Jiffylube so you must be an oil expert and I never did work for Jiffylube so I don't know anything about oil.
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i run rotella in all my sport bikes. cant use regular motor oil cause that "engery conservative" additive will degrade your clutch plates. in my truck i run mobil1 or rotella depending on which store is running a sale
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I'm in the middle. I use Valvoline Snytec blend. Usually 10-40.
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I just switch to Castrol High Mileage (10w30)at 70K.. I was thinking about going to a royal purple full syn, but this thread has me questioning that..

I actually spoke with a "Gear-Head" buddy of mine who said that at 70K, my tolerances aren't that far-out, so I would see benefit from a full-synthetic..

Your thoughts guys... I really don't want to spend $7 per quart on RP, if I am not doing anything to help the longevity of my engine.

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Okay I am confused.. you all say you change your oil.. we are talking jeeps in this thread correct? Mine just sort of leaks or burns out.. so I never "change" it. I more or less fill it up.
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I just switch to Castrol High Mileage (10w30)at 70K.. I was thinking about going to a royal purple full syn, but this thread has me questioning that..

I actually spoke with a "Gear-Head" buddy of mine who said that at 70K, my tolerances aren't that far-out, so I would see benefit from a full-synthetic..

Your thoughts guys... I really don't want to spend $7 per quart on RP, if I am not doing anything to help the longevity of my engine.

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To me Timber, all you need to do to protect your engine and extend its longevity is to change the oil and filter regularly and use a good quality multi-weight oil... any major brand is going to be fine. I've done only that for my 46 years of driving and I've yet to have an engine failure. Heck my '97 TJ bought new now has 180,100 miles on it and it still runs fine without needing any oil between changes. All its ever seen has been dino/conventional engine oil. Usually Valvoline, Castrol a few times... but I'd run most any other major brand as well without worry.

One thing I'll never forget are the ads of the 50's (no I wasn't driving yet ) from Mercedes Benz and Volvo with customer testamonials from those whose engines had made it to the one million mile mark... and all on dino/conventional oils. While synthetic lubes were around by then, they weren't yet on the store shelves.
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valvoline max life 10w30, wix or mopar filter.

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i never use penzoil, but what is wrong with it?
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i never use penzoil, but what is wrong with it?
Pennzoil used to be paraffin based so engine sludge was a problem for them. However, Pennzoil switched away from their paraffin-based base years ago when they switched to their current PureBase so sludge is no longer an issue.
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Anyways, does this mean that I can't start putting Mobil 1 in because I don't know if the last owner used synthetic or conventional?
Mobil 1 makes a high mileage synthetic. I would suggest that, if you feel like using synthetic.
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Anyways, does this mean that I can't start putting Mobil 1 in because I don't know if the last owner used synthetic or conventional? Does anyone know what Firestone uses? Thanks
It doesn't matter what the previous owner used. You can use mineral-based (dino) oil or synthetic, regardless of what was in there before. You can mix and match dino and synthetic as required. You can even add a quart of dino if your engine is a quart low even if it was filled with synthetic before, or visa-versa.

In other words, you can switch back & forth to your heart's content without worry about what it ran before. Not that I think using synthetic is worth the extra cost unless at the time you are driving in winter conditions like are seen in North Dakota, Alaska, Buffalo NY, etc. where in such conditions synthetic does works better.
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add montana to that list. i run synthetic for that reason and others

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