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Old 08-10-2009, 02:21 PM   #1
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Opinions Please: Which Do I Keep?

Hey Guys,

I'm Trying to get some opinions here. I have two TJ's right now and I'm looking to probably keep one. They are pretty different and I'm having a hard time deciding what to do. The lucky candidate will be my daily driver and occasional light trail toy. Let me know what you would do if you were in my position.

Jeep 1: 2002 Blue SE, 4-cyl, 5-speed manual, 66K miles, soft top, half doors, great condition, mechanically fit. Payment $375/month with a couple years left. Planned upgrades: re-gear to 4.88's and run 32 or 33 mud terrains.

Jeep 2: 1997 Black Sahara, 6-cyl, automatic, 200k miles, full doors, running/road worthy but rough, engine seems strong but has a little knock and sometimes shows age. Completed repairs: Full tune-up, transmission rebuild, exhaust manifold replaced, all seats replaced, 2" coil lift. Needs attention: brakes, O2 sensors, axle services, wire brush and paint frame (surface rust in some spots), new soft top, interior cosmetics. Planned upgrades: 33's, bumpers, 1" to 2" body lift. Own out right no payments.

I like the reliability, color, and interior of Jeep 1, but get very annoyed with the 4cyl engine especially on the highway.

I like the 6cyl power, full doors, and no payment of Jeep 2, but worry about reliability. Will it always need something or leave me stranded even if i have to put a new engine it.

I'm trying to decide before I continue reworking Jeep 2. i am at the point where I can break even if i sell it now. If i go further (possible new engine, mechanical upgrades, and such) I will have to keep it for a while to justify putting the money into it.

What do you think? What would you do?

Thanks for taking the time!

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Old 08-10-2009, 02:29 PM   #2
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sounds like you won't be happy with the 4 cyl, its hard to be especially if you own a 6 at the same time.

what about selling them both and getting a 6 cyl tj in better shape?

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sell both

sell both on ebay!!!!
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:18 PM   #4
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That thought crossed my mind. Selling both then go out and get exactly what I wanted (04-06 Unlimited with 6cyl). I don't know if the wife would go for that though.
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Sell the 4cly put that 375 back every month and save on Ins. every month In my opinion I hate payments do you think the 97 will cost 375 a month to keep it on the road
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375 over 2 years is 9k. Do you feel the paid off one will need more than 9k in repairs over the next two years? You can do a lot with an extra 375 a month... I say keep the sold one and ditch the payment....
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this is assuming the 4 cyl isn't upside on payments right now.
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I like Jeep 1 for the color,miles, and its a manual, but I think you should sell jeep 2 and pay off jeep one. Then when that is payed of swap the 4cyl for a 4.0, and build it up as up as you please.
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Jeepzcb09,

I was just told the same exact thing by a mechanic I know. Here's the question though; will JEEP 1's transmission (02 SE 4cyl with manual 5-speed) take a 4.0L? I know the motor mounts would have to be changed/welded, but would the tranny and axle be able to stay?
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Jeepzcb09,

I was just told the same exact thing by a mechanic I know. Here's the question though; will JEEP 1's transmission (02 SE 4cyl with manual 5-speed) take a 4.0L? I know the motor mounts would have to be changed/welded, but would the tranny and axle be able to stay?
no you would need transmission as well. Axles are fine. Might need to mod the driveshafts.
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myself, i'd get rid of the 4 cyl and keep the 6 cyl. $375 is a pretty big payment for that jeep.
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That blue is a rare color, there apears to be no rust, and it looks exceptionally nice and clean ( a good looking jeep to build up), so I think it would be worth it!! and im sure you coulkd get a motor and tranny from a junk yard for fairly cheap with decent miles
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Keep the 6 cylinder
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:13 PM   #14
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Below is the 02 w/4cyl during Jeep Beach at Daytona International Speedway. It is on an entry level course that was way to easy, but my little girl in the back loved it. I will try to get a pic of the Black 6cyl up for comparison but all i have to take the pic is a crappy cell phone camera.

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If it were me, and obviously I dont know your situation any better than you have described, I would probably keep the 97 - I like having 'projects' to work on. Then, assuming your 02 is worth more than the balance on the loan, I would sell/trade it and put the proceeds toward a 'practical' daily driver (ie small/midsize sedan, again depending on needs). My jeep is purely my fun car, and my corolla is my daily driver. I run about 30miles round trip to work every day, so the corolla saves a bunch on gas and is nicer for long trips. Also allows me to take the top off the jeep and keep it off for the summer.

Now if you owe more on the 02 then its worth, I would keep it and sell the 97. I would have a very hard time paying someone to take a vehicle off my hands (effectively what you have to do when you sell a vehicle that you are underwater on).

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Below is the Black 97. Yes, they are the same wheels that were on the Blue Jeep. I bought it for $500. Seriously! After transporting it to FL from Jersey, rebuilding the tranny, and replacing the exhaust manifold with a good used one, I have $3000 invested.
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Ok lets talk money. I owe $9000 on Jeep 1 (blue 02). I had to eat 1000 to get out of my 1500 Ram on 35's. It was my dream truck completely done up, but the gas was killing me. At the time of getting rid of it i was about 100/week in gas.

could i get 9k for the blue jeep? (4cyl - 5 speed - 66k miles)

Could I get 3500-4k or more for the Black 97? (6cyl - auto - 200k)
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without actually running the numbers (too lazy for kbb at the moment), I would think $9k would be in the ball park for that 02 private party. I suspect if you went to trade it in they would offer you a couple grand less than that. It is definitely a good lookin jeep but that 4cyl and manual will not be particularly good for resale.

As for the 97, I think (again my semi-educated guess) $3500 to $4k would be a little high - my guess would be $2500-$3k tops - 200k is a lot of miles.
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For the Jeep 1 (blue) NADA came back at 7900 good trade. Which means a dealer would probably give 7k at best. KBB private pary topped out at 9250 because of it being under the mileage allowance.

This is my big problem:

1:Sell the 97 get my money back and regear the nicer newer Blue Jeep and continue making payments that I am used to

or

2: Put the the blue on up and settle for payoff then continue fixing up black 97 with possibly putting a new/rebuilt engine, but having the money from no payment.

Maybe I put them both up and see which one sells??

Man my head is spinning! I keep flip flopping and when I start leaning toward a side something pulls me back. I love the Blue jeep for everything, but hate the engine performance (espeacilly on the interstate an towing the jetskis), but it does the job barely. Heading to Daytona I had to draft my buddy's unlimited to max out at 75mph. if he changed lanes I droped to 67 in mild wind.

I love the power of the Black 97 (4.0) but the unknown of it being old with very high mileage makes me wary. Can it end up costing me another 5-7k over the next year or two?
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Is there a reason you couldn't keep both? I loved my 4 banger, but then again I never towed anything or was in any hurry to get anywhere. Just got an LJ less than two months ago, and that thing is a whole different animal.
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just by reading your posts, I think you already have issues with the 4 banger. Go with the 6, and fix whatever breaks...when it breaks. For what you still owe on the 4 banger, you could redo the engine on the 6, and both front and rear axles. with proper care you can probably get another 50K miles on your motor.

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