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Old 04-30-2017, 09:48 AM
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I'm looking at getting back into the Jeep world. A little backstory:

I had a 2014 Willys JK, which I DDed for 3 years. I got tired of using it as a daily, and my commute tripled in that time. So I sold it a got a Fiesta ST. Fun as hell car, but I'm craving another damn Wrangler.

I had quibbles with the JK. While nicer than my old '97 I used to have, I didn't like it as much. Horrible 6spd transmission...the most gutless 285 hp I've ever witnessed, etc...which brings me to my conundrum now. I've been eyeing a 2006 65th Anniversary Wrangler X near me for a few days. I'm getting the itch again. It would purely be a secondary vehicle, and not a DD. Would it be a mistake to buy a used TJ over a used JK? I realize I'm in the TJ section, so maybe there will skewed results...but still.

Am I crazy for wanting a TJ over a JK?
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"Am I crazy for wanting a TJ over a JK? "

Not at all.
In fact, a 2006, being the last year for a TJ, would make it a little bit of a collector car as well as a fun ride.
As far as selecting a TJ over a JK... It all depends on what you prefer as far as "comforts".
When given a choice, I chose (on purpose) a TJ over a JK. I did not want anything to do with a V6. The inline 6 has been around a very long time and is well regarded as durable. And I preferred the classic subdued dash layout of the TJ over the modern, (and ugly, imo) JK dash and instrument layout.
I also preferred the external appearance of the TJ over the JK. To me, the TJ looks more like a "real" Jeep than the JK does.
The only real drawback (to me) is the aftermarket is, of course, geared more toward the JK's than the now ancient TJ's. So newer, cooler gizmos are not always available for the dinosaurs.
But because it's a second car, you can afford to be picky. So choose one that's got 0 rust, low miles and no damage. You'll pay a little more but the pride that comes from knowing that your Jeep is as good as it gets is well worth the extra grand. (imo)

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If you're buying it as a trail rig, personally I'd look towards a TJ Rubicon. Take your time, shop eBay, CL, etc and find something that does everything you'd like to do with it. Whether it's the beach, Colorado, Moab etc. Easier to work on, less electronics, etc.
I'm located in Colorado Springs, if you do look around and find something out here let me know and I'll check it out for you.
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Just traded my 2006 TJ for a 2011 JK Rubicon. I like the body style of the TJ, but the comfort of the JK. And definitely miss the pep of the TJ. Don't think you are crazy at all picking up a used TJ.
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The 2006 is a great tj, depending on the transmission. I would be very careful buying a 2006 with an automatic transmission. All 2006 autos did not give problems but if you happen to get one that is problematic, you have to buy a new pcm from the dealership for about $1500 and that may not fix it.

The 2006 manual is a nice transmission but if it gives you problems, you will be replacing the whole transmission.
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Found a 2006 Rubicon 6spd for sale. It as 99.9k miles on it, yellow, all stock. They want $14.9 for it. There are only a handful of 2005-2006 Rubicons near(ish) to me, and this seems like the best one. It's 4 hours away, though. So I really need to be sure it's a good one before I make that commitment.

What do I need to look out for?



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RUST! Crawl under it with a flashlight, screwdriver, hammer. Look it over, poke at frame, hit areas that may look soft etc. I'd want to see what frame looks like under skid plate, either have dealer, loosen the bolts or do it yourself at home. Support tranny/TC, clean it up and paint it.

I'm not a fan of yellow but it looks good.
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Found a 2006 Rubicon 6spd for sale. It as 99.9k miles on it, yellow, all stock. They want $14.9 for it. There are only a handful of 2005-2006 Rubicons near(ish) to me, and this seems like the best one. It's 4 hours away, though. So I really need to be sure it's a good one before I make that commitment.

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I realize dealers clean them up, but that's clean under the hood.

Like sinister said. Start on your back under the Jeep. Front to back. Check for leaks. Most are ok. Check for rust, or paint over rust. Check bushings for cracking and/or severe warping and even disintegration. Check under interior carpet for rust.
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Thanks for the responses. Looking at the carfax, it's only been owned in NC and VA, so there really shouldn't be must rust. It's at a used car lot in Harrisonburg, VA right now. I'm just leery of driving all the way up there only to find out that it's a piece of shit. Anyone live near JMU? haha

The dealer has good reviews on various sites, but it's not universally praised. I wish it was closer...
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Thanks for the responses. Looking at the carfax, it's only been owned in NC and VA, so there really shouldn't be must rust. It's at a used car lot in Harrisonburg, VA right now. I'm just leery of driving all the way up there only to find out that it's a piece of shit. Anyone live near JMU? haha The dealer has good reviews on various sites, but it's not universally praised. I wish it was closer...
Look for a 4x4 shop in that town, call them and ask them if they will do a pre-buy inspection for you. Have the dealer take the vehicle over to the shop and come to terms "in writing" that you would pay for this inspection if you buy it, they will pay for the inspection if something comes up bad and you do not buy it.
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Thanks for the responses. Looking at the carfax, it's only been owned in NC and VA, so there really shouldn't be must rust. It's at a used car lot in Harrisonburg, VA right now. I'm just leery of driving all the way up there only to find out that it's a piece of shit. Anyone live near JMU? haha

The dealer has good reviews on various sites, but it's not universally praised. I wish it was closer...
Break something on the Jeep. Cry foul. Low ball the shit out of him.
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Look for a 4x4 shop in that town, call them and ask them if they will do a pre-buy inspection for you. Have the dealer take the vehicle over to the shop and come to terms "in writing" that you would pay for this inspection if you buy it, they will pay for the inspection if something comes up bad and you do not buy it.
The dealership will laugh at you if you ask them to do this.
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The dealership will laugh at you if you ask them to do this.
Only if they're allergic to money.
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Only if they're allergic to money.
No dealership I know will agree to pay for your inspection no matter what is found. You want an inspection you pay for it.
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I still look at TJ rubis once and a while to see what's out there - saw this pop up recently. I love my khaki but love the yellow too - I don't think it's a bad price but should be able to get them down to $13.5-14.5k.
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Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but isn't NC and VA in the "snow belt," and if so; isn't that where they like to salt the highways to melt said snow?
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For that kind of money I'd be driving there and inspecting it myself. I doubt a dealer will agree to pay for an inspection if the deal doesn't go through. Not being from the area finding a trustworthy shop to check it out could be tough. I'd want to see the undercarriage, check everything myself and test drive it. Then if it's good cut a deal and take it home. Good luck!
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Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but isn't NC and VA in the "snow belt," and if so; isn't that where they like to salt the highways to melt said snow?
I live in the western part of VA , the mountainous area that receives the most snow....and it ain't all that much.
We only get an occasional big snow and yes, the salt is flying.
BUT, nothing compared to PA.....even the roads rust up there.
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Yea NC and VA aren't really a rust belt type of place. I've been in contact with the dealer for a week or so. I'm having him take it to the Jeep dealership and get a PPI done. I don't really like dealerships too much, but I'm not sure where else to send it. I'll pay for it, obviously. If everything checks out, then we'll move on from there. $15k is a bit much, so we'll see how much he's willing to deal. I think it's been on his lot for a while...I guess most people don't see the value of a 11-year old Jeep. Or maybe it's the yellow color? ha....I like the yellow. I mean, it's a Jeep. They look great in any color. Going to have to get some black rims and bigger tires, that's for sure.
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So, they inspected it at the Jeep place and found some issues....

Drivers side door check strap broken
Wipers torn
Battery would not start vehicle and tested bad
Left rear axle seal and rear differential cover leaking
Rear main oil seal leaking
Valve cover gasket leaking
E-brake wont hold on incline-needs to be adjusted
Overall, the body and frame is in decent shape and no significant damage seen.

So yea, some issues. No frame damage or rust, though. So that's something.

Dead battery...some leaks...nothing that can't be fixed. I'm just wondering what other little issues will pop up. Seems like this thing wasn't really maintained so well in the past year or so...should I avoid? Or lowball the everloving piss out of him? They were estimating around $1700 to fix it all. Dealership labor costs and all...

It's still stock, so whoever had it doesn't seem to have lifted it or anything dumb. They say it's in good shape, given the age and mileage...but is 11 years old really that old?
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We only get an occasional big snow and yes, the salt is flying.
BUT, nothing compared to PA.....even the roads rust up there.
you know it's funny I keep hearing this but having lived in PA for 51 of my 51 years & I've owned all variety of vehicles & some as old as 20 years & I've never had rust be an issue on any of them (actually once someone crashed into the front fender of my 72 Nova & within a year rust did creep in where the paint had creased & chipped off...). It was only when I joined this forum that I learned that every vehicle that is born & raised in PA dies a premature death of rust, or is it just Jeeps? My 04 has driven all 120,000 of its miles here & there's no rust on the frame, must be the exception
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IMO, the only item on your list that would scare me is the rear main leak, as those can be pricey to fix ($600 - $1000 depending on your area) and sometimes start leaking again immediately if the shop pinches the gasket when they put everything back together. Everything else on there is either not a big deal or easily fixable. If it were me, I would have them fix the rear main and the rear axle seal/differential cover leaks and leave the rest alone and fix it myself so I know it's done properly and not with $5 parts. I'd say start your offer at $10k and go from there, I wouldn't pay more 12 for it though.
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It's an 11 year old vehicle with 100K miles - it will have problems and things pop up. If you're going to buy a TJ, unless you're buying a 1 owner with 50-60K miles with pristine maintenance there will be work to be done either now or in the near future.

I never understand why people say "offer x, otherwise I wouldn't pay more than that" at insane, lowball numbers. Non Rubicon owners will argue all day long the extra cost isn't worth it. Fine, but don't expect to then get a Rubicon at normal TJ prices unless youg et lucky.

In the northeast, Rubicon TJs typically go for anywhere from $14-20K and the milage ranges. I bought my 05 in January with 60K miles, 1 owner at $15K from a big dealership and thought I got a steal. No dealership is taking $10K because the rear main seal needs to be replaced. Items like door check strap I wouldn't even bother typing because they're such small items.

Personally, I've seen yellow go for more in the northeast (I don't know why). The rear main being the issue, either have them replace it or do through a shop. I would pay $12-12.5K for this without any fixes, $13K with the seal fixed.
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I would trade 2 new jk's AND a redhead for a clean used TJ any day!
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Agree with gottagofast

I'm on my 3rd TJ. I had an 05 sport right out of college, an 04 Rubi a few years ago that I sold as we couldn't keep 2 cars in NYC and now I'm on my 05 Rubi. Missed having a TJ so much I knew now was the time to get one as they're getting much harder to find, especially stock / not modified. If it's going to be your second car, no question the TJ is the way to go. Even though my 05 sits in a garage in Connecticut, could not have a bigger smile on my face the moment I open the garage and turn the key.
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Virginia uses calcium chloride to melt the snow, it does not rust out the vehicles like rock salt does. I lived in the Lynchburg area for 9 years and rarely saw a car with significant rust.

The main seal is a concern. For $15K the dealer should have it fixed. In fact, they should fix all the items, but the first two are very minor. The battery is questionable. If they don't want to replace the batter, just deduct another $100 from the offer. If they agreed to have the dealer fix all the items I would jump at the $15K.

Also be aware that those wheels and tires are unique to the Rubicon. The wheels are 16" and all the rest of the TJs came with 15", the tires (OEM) were LT245/75R16, which are 31" tires while the rest came with 28"-29" tires.

If you want black wheels, you can plastidip the wheels black. If you decide you don't like it, you can peel it off. It is fairly durable and there are several YouTube videos show doing it to wheels both with and without tires mounted.

The Rubicon also had rear disc brakes while the others have drums, and it has the electric locking differentials front and rear. When you get to drive it, put it in 4 low and press the button to test them. First press locks the rear, second press locks the front, third press unlocks the front and fourth press unlocks the rear. The Jeep must be in 4 Lo to lock the diffs.
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Ha, thanks for the opinions. So many different ways of thinking here! I'm not going the lowball him (much), but I'll make him fix everything and make a decent offer.
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I would trade 2 new jk's AND a redhead for a clean used TJ any day!
I also agree.....well maybe not the redhead. I remember this redhead once back in 85....Ooooops nevermind.
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To put things in perspective - there's an LJ Rubicon for sale near me for $9500 but has 200K miles on it. There's also a TJ Rubicon for $30K but only has 10K original miles on it. At 100K miles, bone stock and only issue being rear seal - assuming that's fixed I would take it all day long in this color combo for $13-14K assuming frame is solid. No hard top sucks but as a second car doesn't matter.

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