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Old 12-25-2006, 10:09 AM   #1
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painting hardtop

i have a black hardtop that's starting to loose some of its shine. how cheesy do you think it would look if i took some spray paint to it?

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Old 12-25-2006, 11:43 AM   #2
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Old 12-25-2006, 11:46 AM   #3
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Don't know, AD, might check with a fiberglass shop, and see what you need to do, to prepare it right. As long as the prep is done right, it should turn out looking pretty good. I need to touch ours up too, after rubbing it against a stump, on a trail. Now I have nice white scratches, on a black top.
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Old 12-26-2006, 07:28 PM   #4
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Top Paint

I tried the bumper paint from duplicolor (or something like that) on the fender flares and they turned out awesome. If my top needs painting, I will use the same.
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Don't do it. Please don't. I've painted cars and I think you'd be making a big mistake. At minimum, don't use spray paint. If you must paint it yourself, go rent an air compressor and paint gun -- that's something you should be able to do for way under $100. Buy a professional paint (a quart should do it) and even the most expensive paint should be less than $40 in that quantity.

If you bought spray paint, you'd spend most of that to get enough paint to cover the top. IMPORTANT -- spray paint is notorious for spitting and dripping at less than 50% of can capacity. The $50 or so bucks that you save by using spray paint comes at the expense of having an eye sore for as long as you own the Jeep. That, or you'll experience the joy of waiting for the paint to harden, wetsanding and re-shooting, which will ultimately take MORE time and money than getting the right equipment. You love your Jeep enough that the chips on the top bothers you -- so much so that it's motivating you to take on the task of painting it. That qualifies you as a person with enough pride in workmanship that you won't suffer doing a job like that while getting a bad result. Shucks. Spending the time and money and getting a bad result will bother me more than having the top chipped in the first place! At least the chip didn't cost me anything.

Since 70+% of the surface you'll be painting is horizontal, even a cheap spray gun will give you great mirror like results because the paint can flatten out without running as would be the case if you had a vertical surface with lots of contouring. Of course, you need to be extra careful on the sides, but a can of spray paint won't give you good results regardless of where you apply it. The surface is too big for spray paint. You'll get spit droplets, ridges, and the paint won't hold up as well.

The other thing is if you do use spray paint be careful using Rustoleum. It is not compatible with other brands of enamals. Rustoleum includes an oil additive that if painted over using a non-Rostleum brand will produce shitty adhesion and cosmetic quality.

Just remember -- use a cheap paint and you also inheret the laborious task of removing that paint if later on you decide to really do the job right.

Aside from the need to get breathing and skin protection when painting, there's nothing wrong with painting it yourself -- just not with spray paint. And pulease use protection. I see guys on TV painting with spray paint with no breathing protection or cover for their skin. Even spray paint includes some nasty molecules like Methelene chloride and toluene. No top, or Jeep is worth hearing the doctor give a diagnosis of cancer. F that! Get yourself a 3M mask rated for spaying paint and a painting coverall, gloves and hood. And use them! And if you go professional ASK whether the paint you select can be shot with a 3M mask. Some professional paints have isocyanide and other molecules that go right through a charcoal filter. Guess what they cause. Painting can be fun and if you haven't done it before, you'll really feel good about getting this handled. (all of this assumes that you don't have neighbors in close proximity -- if that's the case, man, I'd take that top to a body shop and have them shoot it.)
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Siggie's got a very good point....Do it right the first time....Robert
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Siggie's got a very good point....Do it right the first time....Robert
He sure does and that isn't often, as his wife can correctly attest to. Do it right -- especially if you can make it look like that purdy red Jeep.
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Just do it!
i don't think that's a good moderator answer. thanks siggie, i guess i could probably find something else to work on....o wait there's something.
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i don't think that's a good moderator answer. thanks siggie, i guess i could probably find something else to work on....o wait there's something.
LOL! I noticed that too but wanted to be polite.

I'll say this though - I have a Boss 302 in my garage that's been sitting for there waiting for some bozo to finish its restoration. A lot of times the only way I get things done is to just leap in and start turning wrenches -- no forethought, without the right parts, and most definitely with no fcking idea of what the hell I'm doing. Some of my best projects get started that way.

Effort, even substandard effort, is better than no effort sometimes.

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Just take it off the Jeep and put it on the floor of your garage so it's easier to work on, then armorcoat it - or rhinocoat - or whatever that stuff is called that you just have to roller on.
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so wise....so very wise
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Don't spray paint it. I once painted a car (yes, the whole car) with nothing but spray paint, and it looked horrible. Even if you're careful it's going to look horrible.
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i don't think that's a good moderator answer. thanks siggie, i guess i could probably find something else to work on....o wait there's something.
Please explain. What does my opinion have to do with being a moderator?
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I've heard of folks spray painting their vehicles or most anything and it turned out looking great. If I did it, it'd be a mess. So.....if you have the time, attention to detail and maybe experience or just want to give it a try: go for it!

If it's a job that may seem a little too large, intimidating, etc: don't do it!

I personally like the liner idea......just do it!


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Please explain. What does my opinion have to do with being a moderator?
No relation. It's ALL just opinion. Just some folks talk'in Jeeps, my friend.

Speaking of which -- I wonder why -- in the age of yuppies buying 4 dollar cups of coffee -- I wonder why companies like Dupont, Krylon and Rustoleum have not siezed the market for HIGH PERFORMANCE spray paint.

If you could buy a spray paint that included a greater volume of paint to cover large area; is pressurized at a higher pressure and includes a decent quality nozzle -- and higher quality paint -- I'm talking about a product that could lay down a decent spray -- and if you could buy it for say $25 a can instead of $4 per can. That would be a bargain. The business model would be internet based. You order giving the company your car make and model with the paint code -- 6 days later, you get a color matched can that would do a crdible job of reshooting a fender.

Nah -- bad idea - it'd probably violate every EPA law ever written.
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I think it's because yuppies that buy 4 dollar cups of coffee would rather pay someone else to do the dirty work for 'em?
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Where are yall buyin' your coffee? I get mine for 63 cents at the Texaco in the mornings...
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I think it's because yuppies that buy 4 dollar cups of coffee would rather pay someone else to do the dirty work for 'em?
Haaa! Yes!
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Where are yall buyin' your coffee? I get mine for 63 cents at the Texaco in the mornings...
63 cents?! You an NOT be living in California. I'd be scared to drink coffe that costs that little.

You couldn't buy the osmosis filtered water to make it for that much...
And the soybean milk -- how?


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C'mon over to Missip and I'll get you a cup.
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Damn...63 cents? My morning cup of coffee is $1.75 at the cheap deli.
If I had the time and a space to try painting it myself I would. I guess I would get as much info as possible on fiberglass paint stuff...maybe even from a boating store.
I'd say go for it!
If you don't like it there's always maaco or around here they have guys on craigslist that come to you and specialize in patching/fixing car body/paint stuff.
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the paint isn't too expensive, give it a try.
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I agree -- go for it. You CAN do it.

Amerijeep -- kind thanks -- likewise, if you're in California, I'd be glad to buy you a $4.68 cent Starbucks late with hazlenut and soy milk. With a blueberry scone. LOL!

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Don't do it 'merijeep. Starbucks is yucky.

Use a light hand with the spray gun AD, they are not as easy to use as they look.

Buy a double triggered gun. You pull the trigger so far which only lets the air through, then the trigger all the way pulls the paint. Start the sweep with the paint already coming out and release the trigger only after you finished the sweep all the way across and off the top.

Long sweeps, not short jerky sweeps.

Oh, and AD, just freaking do it.
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I think it's because yuppies that buy 4 dollar cups of coffee would rather pay someone else to do the dirty work for 'em?
I think you have a point, Ame
..........at least some of 'em ....the ones that don't wave
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..........at least some of 'em ....the ones that don't wave
Yup, those were the ones I was thinking of.
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Don't do it 'merijeep. Starbucks is yucky.

Use a light hand with the spray gun AD, they are not as easy to use as they look.

Buy a double triggered gun. You pull the trigger so far which only lets the air through, then the trigger all the way pulls the paint. Start the sweep with the paint already coming out and release the trigger only after you finished the sweep all the way across and off the top.

Long sweeps, not short jerky sweeps.

Oh, and AD, just freaking do it.
Tiny, any questions I have about painting will be directed to you henceforth.


What did you paint?

I'm working today, but I have a bunch of pictures to post. I'll show you a truck I painted. A classic stepside.
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I've painted all sorts of things, never a vehicle though. I actually learned how to use a spray gun in college for painting artwork. I use a full size gun, a detail gun and an airbrush to glaze my work.

Glaze works the same as paint only I don't see if I've been careful enough until the work makes it through the kiln.

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