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Old 09-02-2009, 04:39 PM   #1
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I know they want the best for me, but they won't let me drive with the doors off.

now in TEXAS, im pretty sure its completely 100% allowed. *as long as you have mirrors.*

but where could i find a website of laws to show them that its OK.

they wont take me word, even though EVERYONE has them off as its still uber hot here in texas (:

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Old 09-02-2009, 04:39 PM   #2
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They told me as long as i find something official its ok. (:

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Official? Good luck finding something that states it's legal to drive w/ doors off. It's hard to find legal stuff to say what you can do, only what you can't do.

Can you find me something that says it's legal to run on a sidewalk?

Good luck - maybe the others here will have something to help.

That said, if my parents bought me a Jeep, I'd be happy w/ a nice Jeep and the top off. I'd respect their wishes if I lived w/ them and they were taking that good of care of me.
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im not arguing with them or anything, i guess you need some background aswell

lol dad is awesome, hes cool, but he is a man who lives to work, thats ALL he dose, when i was younger it took him a year to build me a skate ramp that i could make in 2 hours now, and i can't take the top off until we have a hoist....problem is... He'll never never ever get around to getting the hoist.

next closest thing are the doors, and that's easy. so ya. id love JUST the top off, but that will never happen. he's too busy to buy it.

he's already wasted a wife, and half his life away working. he'll just waste the other half away too.
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Wow. Would he mind if you had some friends help you take the top off and store it in the garage while you had your fun? Is this a standard hardtop? I'll tell you what I did when I had a hardtop. I took 4 eye bolts and screwed them into the ceiling near the 4 corners of my Jeep. I then took some ratchet straps w/ rubber coated hooks and hung them from the eye bolts. I would back my Jeep in, lift the top onto the ratchet straps one corner at a time, then go around and raise each strap an inch or two (that's all you need) then SLOWLY and Carefully drive out. No hoist necessary, it just hung there until I got back and could back in.

Worth a shot?
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well see it an awesome idea, but he's going to just tell me to wait for a weekend where he will do it.

will never happen.

Thanks though =)

all my friends are like "bro it can sit in my garage! ill help you take it off and we can go "jeep" but i wouldnt wanna sit it somewhere, and its not my garage so =(
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hey, sorry to hear that.. what i did was call the local police dept.. they said, hmm wow good question.. and the answer was yes as long as you have a rear view mirror its ok.. jeeps (when top is down and doors are off, have nearly NO blind spot, so its not a saftey issue.. and with the doors off there are no mirrors (unless you have put them on using a relo bracket.. ) ive been sitting right next to cops and they dont really care.. not sure if there is anything in writing somewhere.. but check with your local pd.. they should be able to help..


http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59037 heres a post from a police officer forum..
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Heya,
First, congratulations on the parents getting you a Jeep... Very nice deal.
Now, as far as the question about driving with no doors goes here is my two cents (And no, it is not an official response, but will give you somewhere to start more research at).

The doors on a Jeep are considered "Optional equipment" from the manufacturer (i.e. soft doors, hard doors). This, along with the design of the tub of the Jeep (i.e. the large lip you have to step over to get into the Jeep) makes it legal to drive without the doors on. However, the laws regarding rear view mirrors changes from state to state, but I would just assume that every state is going to want you to have at the very least 1 side mirror to use, usually the drivers side - thus the big market for aftermarket mirror relocation brackets.

Basically, it will be legal to drive the Jeep with no doors on in any state (as far as I know) as long as you have at least one mirror attached on the driver's side. You are also allowed to drive legally with the windshield folded down as long as you are wearing protective eyewear (goggles etc) and are able to correctly display any stickers etc. that would normally be located on the windshield.
Here is something I found from the Texas DOT site regarding vehicle inspections (which would govern your legality question)

"Inspection/Rejection Criteria

20.19 Mirror. Every motor vehicle shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of such motor vehicle.

1. Inspection Procedure

a. Inspect only one mirror.

1) Exterior Rearview Mirror: From the driver’s position, visually inspect exterior mirror for a clear and reasonably unobstructed view to the rear. Look for correct location and stable mounting.

2) Interior Rearview Mirror: From the driver’s position, visually inspect interior mirror for proper mounting, location, cracks, sharp edges, and ease of adjustment.

2. Inspect for and reject if:

a. Mirror does not provide the driver with a clear view to the rear of 200 feet.

b. Vehicle is not equipped with at least one mirror.

c. Mirror offers unsafe interference with driver’s forward vision.

d. Reflective surface of mirror is cracked, broken, peeled, tarnished, or has sharp edges.

e. Mirror is not mounted securely to prevent swing or excessive vibration unless the vehicle is equipped with another mirror which meets requirements.

NOTE: An inside mirror would meet all the above requirements. If the vehicle is equipped with more than one mirror, only one, either inside or outside, needs to meet all requirements."

Granted, this does not specifically mention the doors part of the issue, but then again that is not really what the cops are worried about - it's all about the mirros really.



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As long as you are driving safe and have a seat belt on you are fine. In Texas you only need a rear view mirror but you can buy some cheapo and mod them to fit into the hinge where the doors sit. I doubt there is a law on the books that says YOU CAN drive with the doors off, at least Iv not been able to find one. Having your foot outside the Jeep may draw attention and you may be stopped but as long as you are driving safe most don't bat a eye at you.

Have your dad call the local police station and ask if he wants a good solid answer. They make the Jeeps with removable doors for a reason and if it was illegal then why would they be able to sell them in the areas where it would be illegal?
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OK, I'm going to sound like an old guy, but you know, I am one.

Your Dad is worried about your safety more than he is the letter of the law. He's worried that you will drive like a lunatic, flip it over and get hurt. Are you giving him reason to worry? Are you giving him any reason to trust you? Many teens are terrifying on the roads. You're going to say that you are different. Prove it. (not to me. I don't care. Prove it to your dad).

I don't know your Dad, but most of us Dads want our kids to start taking on more responsibility for their stuff, and for their lives. You're waiting for him. He might be waiting for you. Start showing that you are responsible for this toy he bought you. Clean it. Change the oil. Take the top off yourself (if it won't get you busted). Very few Dad's are upset when their kids start showing responsibility.

And, at the risk of totally making you roll your eyes, cut the old man some slack. He works that hard so he can buy you a Jeep. Your job is to respect that. Now pull your damn pants up and get the hell off my lawn!
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How old are you?
Did you buy the Jeep yourself?
If you want a hoist and dad won't buy it for you, why can't you buy it yourself?
If they are set against going without doors you can always build or buy tube doors.
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OK, I'm going to sound like an old guy, but you know, I am one.

Your Dad is worried about your safety more than he is the letter of the law. He's worried that you will drive like a lunatic, flip it over and get hurt. Are you giving him reason to worry? Are you giving him any reason to trust you? Many teens are terrifying on the roads. You're going to say that you are different. Prove it. (not to me. I don't care. Prove it to your dad).

I don't know your Dad, but most of us Dads want our kids to start taking on more responsibility for their stuff, and for their lives. You're waiting for him. He might be waiting for you. Start showing that you are responsible for this toy he bought you. Clean it. Change the oil. Take the top off yourself (if it won't get you busted). Very few Dad's are upset when their kids start showing responsibility.

And, at the risk of totally making you roll your eyes, cut the old man some slack. He works that hard so he can buy you a Jeep. Your job is to respect that. Now pull your damn pants up and get the hell off my lawn!
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You don't need a hoist to take off a Jeep hard top, if your friends are willing to help you. It's not that hard to do. So, ask your dad if you can store it in one corner of the garage, get a buddy to help lift it off, then go jeepin'. And, like Geoff said, cut your dad some slack, he's working so hard, so he can buy you things like a jeep.

Maybe, if you take off the top and get him to go for a ride with you, you'll get your Dad hooked on jeepin' and he'll cut back, a little, on the work to spend time doing jeep type stuff with you.

Now pull your pants up and get off my lawn!
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Dude... deal with it... My parents said the same thing to me when I got my first jeep... AND as a parent now, I would do the same thing.... It's the old standard "while under my roof it's my rules".... For now pay them the respect and honor their wishes. They are only trying to protect you from either yourself of somebody else.

THEN when you are living on your own, paying 100% of your bills, take the doors off and wheel the hell out of it...
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OK, I'm going to sound like an old guy, but you know, I am one.

Your Dad is worried about your safety more than he is the letter of the law. He's worried that you will drive like a lunatic, flip it over and get hurt. Are you giving him reason to worry? Are you giving him any reason to trust you? Many teens are terrifying on the roads. You're going to say that you are different. Prove it. (not to me. I don't care. Prove it to your dad).

I don't know your Dad, but most of us Dads want our kids to start taking on more responsibility for their stuff, and for their lives. You're waiting for him. He might be waiting for you. Start showing that you are responsible for this toy he bought you. Clean it. Change the oil. Take the top off yourself (if it won't get you busted). Very few Dad's are upset when their kids start showing responsibility.

And, at the risk of totally making you roll your eyes, cut the old man some slack. He works that hard so he can buy you a Jeep. Your job is to respect that. Now pull your damn pants up and get the hell off my lawn!
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Looks like your dad gave you a hand by buying a Jeep, and you are asking for an arm.

Here is the solution, stop a cop or go to local police dept with your dad and ask them if it is legal.
(My parents never bought me a car by the way)

I would take the car away from you if my son whines about it after getting them an expensive gift like this.
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To the doors off my dad and mom said no way to it too. Then I just did it and now my dad looks for any reason to take my truck when nothing is on it!
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I'm a Federal Police Officer and a Dad, so here is my 2 cents.

Although I don't think it is illegal to drive without the doors anywhere....everyone is right. Call the local Police and ask. If they make a big deal about it they will say no right away. If they have to look it up...they don't make a big deal out of it.

As a Dad.....Leave the doors on, take the top off yourself, and stop whinning.

As a Jeeper Dad...Leave the doors on, I'll help you take the top off, and get in the passenger seat because I'm driving.
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... As a Jeeper Dad...Leave the doors on, I'll help you take the top off, and get in the passenger seat because I'm driving.
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when i got my driver license i wasn't even allowed to get a jeep. it was mandatory and non-negotiable that it had to be a reliable sedan. i ended up with a 1998 mazda 626 (ftw, it was 2002). even after i got my wrangler (that i was paying for) i still wasn't allowed to go w/o doors. it wasn't until i moved out and got married that my dad stopped giving me massive amounts of grief about going doorless. i am 24 now an my dad will still gives me crap about going door less. the moral of the story is that they are concerned about your safety and even if you find documentation about it being legal they still won't let it happen.
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LOL - I'm 32, married, have a 2 yr old, have purchased my 3rd Jeep on my own (paid cash for this one), and my Dad STILL gives me grief...

... but he drives a minivan.
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Yeah - GEOFF! Parents don't tell you know just to piss you off. They are protecting you. Talk to your old man and make a deal that you'll leave the doors on, make room for the top in the garage, and keep the garage picked up. Little steps and you'll make a mile!

You'll find that after you get married, you still have to ask for permission.
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Deff. go to the police station and ask, that's what I did and the guy at the desk actually started pulling out pics of his jeep on his phone!

As for what everyone is saying about OFF-TOPIC stuff, and asking who bought the jeep and what not, just ignore them, that's none of anyone's business and just plain RUDE. You dont have to explain yourself to anyone over the internet. The question you asked was answered the best possible way.

Good luck at the police station, hope for the best!
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That sucks ur parents are like that, Im 18 and still ive with my mom in ohio and she thinks its cool when I take my top and doors off. Just tell your parents "its a jeep thing, you wouldnt understand"
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one, not to sound obnoxious or anything but my dad and mom could never work another day in there life and still be fine, if only i could tell you how much they rake in, in one year. (they own two businesses)

TWO, i saved for 3 years to pay HALF of the car, the insurance and GAS.

thats better than 99.999999% of kids today, my friend just got a 2009 bmw (momy and dady gave it to him)

another friend 2010 mustang....

please dont take it the wrong way.

but im far from WHINING. or being "spoiled" (yes i kinda am, but im humble for it)

yeah, i just want to hoist my top. it would cost him maybe 3 hours of his time... ILL PAY.
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It's a Jeep! Not no stankin car!

Grats on paying for half that is great.
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you say just do it myself.... ill get in trouble for it, i dont think you understand. like i cant just do it. if i cant hoist it, he will just get mad.
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Beep, I am the parent of an 18 year old and the daughter of a workaholic, I understand. Try this. I saw earlier in this thread ideas for a way to hoist the top without too much expense and very little labor. Put these ideas on paper, draw some diagrams, show them to your Dad. Maybe if he thinks that you have the initiative and are willing to put some effort into accomplishing your goals he will be more open to helping you with them. It is hard for us to let go. We have to see that you are willing to give in order to recieve.

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