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Old 01-04-2011, 03:55 PM   #1
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Question pics of tj with 8" of lift and any tires between 33 and 37"

heyi have an 06 tj with 4" of susp. Lift and 2" body lift. Right now its on 33's with plenty of clearance,. But I'm going to be adding 2" spacers to the lift in about a week. I have a sye and adjustable uppers in the rear so the susp. Geometry isn't the problem. I just can't affrd 35's right now. Will my tj look rediculously stupid with 8" of lift and 33's? Or will it b ok? Pics would be excelent but would also like to see 8" of lift on 35's and 37's. All the pics I could find on google were long arm kits and they were all done up. I have a smittybilt stinger and topfive roof rack with stock style extended flares.the lift I have is a rough country 4" kit with upgraded steering compnents and a bunch of other crap but its fairly simple. I'm looking for some pictures of this setup plus a few thoughts on the idea thanks alot

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2" spacers?

someone can verify this but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to use spacers after you go over a certain height with a suspension lift

EDIT: Come to think of it - your tire to body ratio should already be kind of iffy looking with 6 inches of lift.

stock TJs accept 31s.
4" lifts match nicely with 33s.
6" of lift need 35/37s.

either way... here is a link to a bunch of different tire/lift scenarios

NOTE: Following link is NOT mine! I bookmarked it because it was so awesome.

http://www.myjeeplj.com/gallery/6.0inch/33/16.html

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At first I thought it was iffy but then I liked it and so did everybody else. I put it on a lift to measure shock travel to make sure I didn't need new shocks and it still didn't look bad but it was inside in a small area. I know of somebody else who owns about 15 jeeps and his daily driver is the exact setup as mine only he has spacers. Same everything else. His was on 35's with the flat style flares. Of course I want mine higher now too. He has not had a single issue with his. If I'm going to have issues someone please enlighten me. This is my 3rd jeep but I never went this high before. It already has gears but not sure of the size. Pushes 33's like stock size
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6" of lift is more than enough for 35's or 36's with correct bumpstops. You also need to think about upgrades to steering and brakes with that size tire.
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There used to be a website that you could enter in different lift types (bl and suspension) and heights as well as tire size and represent a picture of what it would look like. If the sizes didn't match or make sense, the picture of the Jeep would change to a wrecked Jeep. I think an 8" total lift may be a wrecked picture with 33s. I wish I could find that dang site again.
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:50 PM   #6
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8 inches of suspension lift might be cool for a teenager's street jeep, but 8" is way too tall for a jeep that actually tackles tough off road trails. Really.

There is a lot to properly lifting a jeep even 4 inches if you want to do it right. Just adding more spacers is not the way to do it.
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4jeepn, I could clear 37s now probly rubbing when I flex because I have no rear bumpstops. I'm young and stupid now, so I want it as high as I can afford to go. Lol but I have upgraded steering components, rugged ridge I believe. I baught it with everything except the front and rear bumpers, so now I have to do some more. I'm trying to get people to stop saying built not baught and laughing, I've already done 2 lifted jeeps and slammed an s10 blazer and its deff. Cheaper just to buy it. Anyway(sorry about my rambling), I will be buying bigger tires when I can, but I just baught this and have to build some credit to get a better payment. Then I can get some more goodies. And I know I need rear bumpstops to run spacers, I've picked up the cups and some longer bolts and shims for under the cups to hold the spacer in place in the rear. Any pics anybody?
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Jerry is right, 8" is too much lift for stock Jeeps especialy with 33's. I run a total of 7 1/4" on my Jeep which includes a 1" body lift. The difference is that my axles are 66" wide and I am running 38.5x14" tires. I can tell you that if you go that high without addressing the width of your wheel base you are sure to set it on it's side often.
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Easy Neil, it's a Jeep enthusiast website not an English Lit. class.
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I may only be 19, but I'm a full time mechanic with my lisences. I know what's involved in lifting a jeep, i and its all done already. Gears trac bars sway bar links, everything is done. It only needs the spacers and brakelines and adjustments to the existing components. And my body lift is probly more like 1.5 because the bushings are extra squished. And the spaces are really 1.75 but more like 1.5 after it settles so it'll b more like 7". I have wider wheels now but plan on getting spacers. I like to mess around sometimes but this one is mine for atleast 5 more years[length of loan lol] so I'm not trying to destroy it yet. Its got a dana 44 in the back and the 30 in the front is good for 35's. I know what's involved. And thank you to the english teacher in the thread. Am I being graded? Come up with something constructive to add. Now if anybody has any pictures id appreciate it. Thanks
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I'm a full time mechanic with my lisences.
I've got two constructive things to add.

1. The word is spelled licenses.
2. If you were a good full time mechanic, you would be able to explain why 2" BB spacers on top of 4" of lift springs is a terrible idea.

If you don't understand #2 and think I'm being a jerk, then you don't understand your suspension and how it functions. You have much to learn, especially for a "full-time mechanic with lisences". You should search more about bumpstops and what they do. Search under my username, I've posted several good replies on the subject.
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personally I think 33's with that much lift will look ridiculous, but it is your jeep and you should build it the way you want it. With that said, lifting your jeep to that height will highly increase your chance of rollover. I run 33's with a little over 3" of lift in order to help maintain a lower center of gravity. Here is a pic of my rig. (just got done of Christmas I'll get to drive it in 3 weeks when I get back from Afghanistan)
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It is not an english class but threads get difficult and painful to read with bad (very bad) spelling errors and multiple grammar errors. Typos do happen and we should reread (lord knows I look at posts I've made and I ask was I typing with my elbows?) There is a free link in the reply box for a spell check.
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Yea I know its licenses. Realized that about a second after I posted and I'm using my phone so it was silly to fix something so small. And yes I understand my suspension. I understand how when lifted the wheelbase is shortened and the axles move sideways unless you correct these things. I have them corrected. I know 2 more inches is pushing it, but then how will we know what works if we don't try it? I've seen literally this exact setup on another jeep. Same lift, same spacers, everything. I just don't wanna get lost in the croud of tj's with 3 to 4 inches of lift and 33's. I plan on getting the rear spring relocation plates to correct that also. Instead of telling me no, tell my what else you think I need to do to make it work. Isn't that what these forum are all about. As I said before, I WILL be getting new tires once I can afford them. I'm sorry if everybody else has an extra $1000 laying around to buy bigger tires everytime they change there jeep. And I don't try to sound like a douchebag but I'm tired of being told I don't know anything because of my age.. yeah I know I'm young and your right I don't know everything, but I know way more than you would assume an average 19 y.o. knows. I'm not average. I've worked in a mechanic shop for the past year and a ahlf and in a body shop for 3 years before that doing everything mechanical/pulling framerails and a whole lot of other stuff. And know I didn't JUST get out of high school, I graduated 3 months after I turned 17. Not that any of this means anything to you guys because I'm still just a 19 y.o. to you. Now that I've finished saying that. The guy with the same setup is running 35s on 15x10's with the flat style flares. Mine will come down about 3 inches farther than his. So I think that will help the wheel gap. And a friend of mine with a yj with 7" of lift is running 33's with tube fenders that bend up in the center and it doesn't look terrible. And yes I know what bumpstops do. I found out last night when I jump my jeep 3 feet off the ground[not intentional] though it was sorta fun, will not be doing that again.
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Tony81, nice tires. I ran those on my old cherokee. Very nice air down to around 10psi because of the kevlar.
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Here is a pic of a past one with 35's but could have gone a bit bigger tire. Has RE 4.5 springs with 2" spacers on the front so closer to 7" in the front. Also has 1 ton axles on it. All adj control arms and adj trac-bars.
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Nice looking tj you got there...that's what mine should look like with 35s minus the extra extra wide stance. Mine will just be sorta wide. Lol
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I've got two constructive things to add.

1. The word is spelled licenses.
2. If you were a good full time mechanic, you would be able to explain why 2" BB spacers on top of 4" of lift springs is a terrible idea.

If you don't understand #2 and think I'm being a jerk, then you don't understand your suspension and how it functions. You have much to learn, especially for a "full-time mechanic with lisences". You should search more about bumpstops and what they do. Search under my username, I've posted several good replies on the subject.
Can you explain why 2" spacers are not good on top of a lift??... I see a lot of people running spacers up front to level out their Jeeps after installing lifts. I was even thinking of doing it myself since my front end sits a little lower than the back. I don't understand why spacers would be ok with stock springs, but bad with lifted springs. thanks.
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I don't understand why you are even wanting to do this. Most people wan their jeep as low as possible on as big a tire as possible for a myriad of reasons.
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And yes I understand my suspension. I understand how when lifted the wheelbase is shortened and the axles move sideways unless you correct these things.
Thats about 20% of it.

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I have them corrected. I know 2 more inches is pushing it, but then how will we know what works if we don't try it?
Changing lift height changes all that stuff you claim to have corrected, again.

And what "works"? Define "works"? If you're junk isn't tested to the max, properly setup in many respects then it doesn't "work". Ignorance is bliss on this subject.

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I've seen literally this exact setup on another jeep. Same lift, same spacers, everything.
Yup, lots of people only understand 20% of their suspension, so you're not alone. You don't know what you don't know, and you need to learn more so you can setup a rig that truely works. Again, ignorance is bliss...and you think you know everything...so do whatever you want. Don't say we didn't try to warn you...

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I just don't wanna get lost in the croud of tj's with 3 to 4 inches of lift and 33's.
Whats wrong with 3 to 4" of lift & 33s? You make it sound like lift height has something to do with tire size...it DOES NOT. They are completely independent.

FWIW, Theres a reason this is such a common setup...well, with proper bumpstop extensions it plain works...for real "works". Not inexperienced mechanics thinks it "works" kinda works.

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I plan on getting the rear spring relocation plates to correct that also.
that would be a good start, but with the pinion rotation required, you'll most likely need to cut the upper spring perch off and relocate it. If you add Nth Degree's spring relocators, you'll gain almost 2" of lift just with the relocation. Superlift and BlueTorchFab also sell good kits to use, or you can relocate the stock perches. Don't forget about outboarding your shocks, this would be a necessary mod if you actually intend to run 7" of lift and make it "work".

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Instead of telling me no, tell my what else you think I need to do to make it work. Isn't that what these forum are all about. As I said before, I WILL be getting new tires once I can afford them.
Tires are the least of your concern.
So list to make it work...
1. Taller springs of proper lift height, with no spacers. 6" Skyjacker, 7.5" or 5.5" Rubicon Express, 6" Teraflex, 6" Rock Krawler...whatever your personal choice is.
2. Long arm's - I'd recommend the Clayton Off-road or PolyPerformance kits. Poly Perf also sells outboarded rear shock kits that will work well with it. You'll want to upper tri-link the rear to ditch the track bar, and you might want to consider an upper tri-link in front, you might have room to clear the necessary truss with the bumpstop extension you'll need to clear the 6" lift shocks.
3. Bumpstop extensions. These are probably the most important thing you can do, and if you understand why and how they work....preventing shocks from bottoming out, preventing spring damage due to overcompression, and lastly, for tire clearance...then you'll be doing all right. The length of extension and geometry is very important for all lift heights.
4. Longer brake lines front and rear to work with the suspension described in #2. And springs to keep them out of the way of suspension travel.
5. Limit straps to prevent the shocks from bottoming out, and prevent the springs from completely unseating.
6. Cutting the front track bar mount off the frame and welding on a double shear mount with a flex joint. TnT customs sells a nice one.
7. Ditch what you have admitted is a body lift with collapsed mounts. Install new body mounts. You won't need a BL to fit 35s with 6" of lift. If you want to fit larger tires, you'll need to move to 1-ton axles anyway.
8. Brakes - 35s requires bigger brakes. Vanco sells a nice kit...get the 16" version with dual piston 48mm calipers, or even the 17" Raptor kit.
9. Roll cage. The increased height will increase the chance of roll-over. Heavier tires and heavier suspension components reduce the effectiveness of an already ineffective roll cage. The stock B and C-pillars are a good starting point, but the whole front half to the A pillar is useless.

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I'm sorry if everybody else has an extra $1000 laying around to buy bigger tires everytime they change there jeep.
lack of money is not an excuse for having a crap Jeep that is improperly setup. You can always go back to stock, which was setup by a team of engineers far smarter than you and I.

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And I don't try to sound like a douchebag but I'm tired of being told I don't know anything because of my age.. yeah I know I'm young and your right I don't know everything, but I know way more than you would assume an average 19 y.o. knows. I'm not average. I've worked in a mechanic shop for the past year and a ahlf and in a body shop for 3 years before that doing everything mechanical/pulling framerails and a whole lot of other stuff. And know I didn't JUST get out of high school, I graduated 3 months after I turned 17. Not that any of this means anything to you guys because I'm still just a 19 y.o. to you. Now that I've finished saying that.
I've got a masters in mechanical engineering from one of the top 50 schools in the country, but who cares? It's not relevent to the discussion at hand. Suck up your pride, get off your high horse, close your mouth, open your ears, read more and learn something. I don't care if you're the miracle child of Sheba, your comments thus far have shown significant ignorance with regard to the setup of the system you don't know you need for the lift height you want.

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The guy with the same setup is running 35s on 15x10's with the flat style flares. Mine will come down about 3 inches farther than his. So I think that will help the wheel gap. And a friend of mine with a yj with 7" of lift is running 33's with tube fenders that bend up in the center and it doesn't look terrible. And yes I know what bumpstops do. I found out last night when I jump my jeep 3 feet off the ground[not intentional] though it was sorta fun, will not be doing that again.
Again, what someone else has isn't relevent to the discussion. What "works" varies greatly in people's definitions. Some people, including lift kit companies, think 4" of lift & 15" collapsed length shocks, with no bumpstop extensions works...and its probably the most commonly sold setup...but I'll tell you right now it doesn't work. Add 2" bumpstop extensions in front and 2-3" in rear and it works, but I challenge you to find how many people actually understand why.

Similarly, some people think 35's and stock brakes "works", but it doesn't. Some claim they can stop effectively, but they cannot. The TJ's brakes have significant design flaws, and with bigger tires these become very dangerous.

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Can you explain why 2" spacers are not good on top of a lift??...
I sure can, read the following:
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http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/corr...gth-70047.html
bumpstops, shock length, and tires size. help me iron out the fuzzy points.. - JeepForum.com

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I see a lot of people running spacers up front to level out their Jeeps after installing lifts.
Yup, that is very common. 0.75" or 1", no problem. 2"+ and you've got problems. The point - if you didn't understand that, read those links again. Springs compress into a physical size, and 2" spacers will reduce the space springs have to compress into, therefore you need to extend your bumpstops more than usual to prevent spring damage. That means you loose uptravel over lift springs of the proper size. and uptravel is 50% of the point of a lift.

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I was even thinking of doing it myself since my front end sits a little lower than the back. I don't understand why spacers would be ok with stock springs, but bad with lifted springs. thanks.
If you understand how the suspension works, you use 0.75" to 1" spacers to level the front as you see fit. In fact, I've got 0.75" spacers in front to level out my Jeep a bit. But I also know my 933 OME shocks will fully compress into about 8", which fits inside the stock jounce tower with stock bumpstop extensions. But I've added 0.75" spacers, so I need to extend the bumpstops at least 0.75" to give the springs the same 8" of compression space. In reality, I've added 1-3/8" bumpstop extensions to the front, to prevent the track bar from hitting the modified diff cover, and prevent the track bar from hitting the tie-rod. Giving the springs at least 5/8" more than stock for compression space. And because I've got 1-3/8" bumpstops, I was able to extend my 13.3" collapsed length shocks by 1", effectively making them 14.3" collapsed length, and gaining 1" of downtravel out of them.

It is absolutely imperative you check both front and rear suspensions at full compression, with the springs and jounce bumper removed. That tests for suspension interferences. Flex tests are only for testing tire clearance on the steel fenders & flares.

If you want to "level" or gain more than 1" in front or rear, you need to research spring rates and spring lengths, and buy a different spring that fits your needs better. Stiffer, longer or whatever. Some folks buy 4" front springs and 3" rear springs, which isn't a bad way to go if you have a heavy bumper and winch. or put your jeep on a diet and loose some weight.
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Because I don't like to rub. And I'm not ready to molest it with a sawzaw yet. I tuck 33s now after I lift it I can tuck 35s with good clearances. I will be running 35s when I can afford them. And theres nothing wrong with spacers. They are for us middle class folk who can't afford that big fancy lift that doesn't include spacers. Apparently I'm the only person who wants 7" of lift because these people sure are jumping down my throat about it. Life is full of rules why we shouldn't do things. I own a jeep so I can lift it and do w.e I want to it. Its our personality. The day I decide not to do something to my jjeep because its not practical is the day I sell it and buy a little 4 cylinder ricer.[will never happen] our jeeps make us who we are.
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And theres nothing wrong with spacers. They are for us middle class folk who can't afford that big fancy lift that doesn't include spacers.
Based on your persistently ignorant comments and lack of desire to learn why people are jumping down your throat, I suggest you get a 3" Body lift, 3" ebay spacers. Run 38's or even 40's and go play. Liberal throttle usage will help. You're clearly going to do whatever you want, so why post here and ask for more experienced advice?
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We run 1.75 spacers on 4.5 springs on my pops rubi, just to get it to sit level with the winch on the front.....never had a problem in 4 years now. I am not a fan of the lowrider big tire look either but I understand it. Takes someone with more balls that brains to cut up a rustfree tub that will be worth alot in the future. That's why I rebuild and sell jeep parts but my crawler is not a jeep ...couldn't bare to cut another one up.
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Unlimited - thanks! those links are helpful. Now I want to go home and re-evaluate my set up and make sure it is correct... also, you used the word "loose" instead of "lose" twice. That kind of takes away from your credibility a little bit... TOTALLY KIDDING. I really appreciate the help/advice.
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Unlimited - thanks! those links are helpful. Now I want to go home and re-evaluate my set up and make sure it is correct... also, you used the word "loose" instead of "lose" twice. That kind of takes away from your credibility a little bit... TOTALLY KIDDING. I really appreciate the help/advice.
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Now I am actually asking for advice. Can I run the stock brake hoses for a few days with the 5.5" suspension lift while I am waiting for the new extended ones to come? I know its not real cool, but I will be only on the street so very minimal flex. Thinking about adding those spacers after work today and I have everything but the new hoses. Thanks in advance for your expertise:]
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Sure as long as they are not stretched to the max you will be fine till you can get the correct length ones

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