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Old 12-12-2009, 08:33 PM   #1
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Plastic (lighter) hard top with removable windows

Does anyone know of any company that has made one of these? I don't see why someone hasn't made a mold and used a plastic composite to make a lighter hard top and then put in thick scratch resistant plexiglass windows that are removable, including the rear one. Then even make the front top roof panels removable like the new ones. That would be the ultimate top.

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Come on man. That doesn't help at all. Be a little open minded. I want the quiet and security of the hard top but the option of having the open feeling of having it all open except for over the back seat. It would actually be easier and more versatile to be able to remove panels and windows as you need them instead of folding the whole top down.... or even just the front like on the sunriders. I know they make a hard top with removable front but it is still made of fiberglass and is entirely too heavy. Gives the Wranglers a much more top heavy feeling. I had a hard top once but sold it because it felt too heavy. I'm looking for a plastic one.
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I had a hard top on my YJ, hated how hard it was to take it off and on. Order my TJ without one and opted for 1/2 doors. IMO it's the way to go. Even with all the snow in the North East.

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I had a hard top on my YJ, hated how hard it was to take it off and on. Order my TJ without one and opted for 1/2 doors. IMO it's the way to go. Even with all the snow in the North East.

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i dunno thereeeeee. come up here and tell me you don't want a hard top and full doors it'll make a big difference. you've got temps in the 20-40's during the winter, where as we get average temps waaaay below that. temps up here don't hit beyond the freezing point much unless you live on the coast. with average snowfall of b/w 80-140" compared to a northern jersey maximum of somewhere around maybe 50" with warmer temps? i can understand your argument. but some might think that its nice to have a hardtop, including myself

i agree with you, i have family in hacketstown, and if i lived in jersey, i wouldn't bother with a hard top or full doors either.
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Jeep had a top like that on a concept jeep a few year back.
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Does anyone know of any company that has made one of these? I don't see why someone hasn't made a mold and used a plastic composite to make a lighter hard top and then put in thick scratch resistant plexiglass windows that are removable, including the rear one. Then even make the front top roof panels removable like the new ones. That would be the ultimate top.
problem with the plastic is that its brittle in the cold, and most hard tops are used in colder climates. so i can see plenty of problems with unsatisfied customers and a plastic hard top that cracks when you try to chip ice off of it. a good way to hurt a company's reputation and customer loyalty if it doesn't work out. i don't think they're all too heavy, just get a friend to help ya out.
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Back to the question. The only thing that I think you could accomplish all of your objectives with would be carbon-fiber. It would be light weight and strong, but toooo expensive for most of us. It would seem that if you wanted a top that the windows and upper panels could be removed from, it would have to be able to withstand the pressure that builds if you wanted to remove the top panels but not the windows. Besides that it would have to stand up to the heat (sun) and cold (freezing temps) without warping or cracking. So in essence it would have to be made from some pretty heavy duty plastics and then you are getting back to the weight issue. I'm sure someone is working on it, but you also have to remember that in a roll over, a thinner plastic could become a very dangerous situation. I am not talking about the protective quality (that is what the roll bar is for).
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jds, my second post was about the question
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Hmmm... well damn. I guess I could deal with a fiberglass one but I think it would be so much cooler to be able to remove the side rear windows and the back one.... as well as the front roof panel. Hmmmm.... I'm just thinking because my soft top is falling apart and I'm tired of the noise and the fact that everything inside the Jeep isn't secure. I just really need a compartmentalized hard top.
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Take a look at a SailCloth soft top. I've had a hard top, a regular soft top, and now the SailCloth. The SailCloth isn't much noiser at all than the hard top, some people even swear it's quieter.

In the mean time - there's always this route: http://www.quadratec.com/products/11090_2XX_PG.htm
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Is the sailcloth material a thicker material? One that doesn't fold very well when cold and rips up your knuckles when your fingers slip off the zipper? I bought my Jeep with this top and haven't been able to compare it to others. My seams have all fallen apart where the top of my side window zippers meet the top. Also my rear window zipper has completely frozen up. So.... I need to do something.
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hmm sounds like an old top. just curious, how long has it been on there? and what weather conditions has the jeep been exposed to/ where are you located? it'll probably help us give you some better recomendations/thoughts/comments. in regards to tearing up your knuckles, you could take a mini carabeener and attach it to your zippers, that would help out a lot. the noise is pretty hard to control though. if it helps any, i couldn't notice any difference in noise b/w the factory and the best top that i picked up during the summer. do you like listening to loud music? you could just buy a new soft top and look into a somewhat better system than a stock one? Keeping theives away is a tough thing with a jeep if you're in a rough area. if you think somethings gonna happen, make sure there's never anything valuable inside your jeep, most people just leave it unlocked, if someone wants it they're gonna get to it no matter what and a small pocket knife is enough to get through any soft top.
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I'm pretty sure it's the original top. It's an 03 so it's been on there for six years. It's the dark tan khaki gray color. Been outside the whole time. NY and PA winters. The stitches have all fallen apart. I was going to try to restitch it but since I cracked my back window and the rear zipper quit working I was lookin to upgrade. I already have a pretty sweet sound system so it's more of the security thing and that it's hard to load stuff in the back with those darn zipper windows. Guess I just need to buck up and buy a Cherokee and keep the wrangler for what it is and just put a new soft top on it.
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i dunno thereeeeee. come up here and tell me you don't want a hard top and full doors it'll make a big difference. you've got temps in the 20-40's during the winter, where as we get average temps waaaay below that. temps up here don't hit beyond the freezing point much unless you live on the coast. with average snowfall of b/w 80-140" compared to a northern jersey maximum of somewhere around maybe 50" with warmer temps? i can understand your argument. but some might think that its nice to have a hardtop, including myself

i agree with you, i have family in hacketstown, and if i lived in jersey, i wouldn't bother with a hard top or full doors either.
Maine's beautiful if there was only more well paying jobs up there I would love to move.
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jds, my second post was about the question
Sorry Kdukes, but I was typing when your answer appeared. Note post times.
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:21 AM   #17
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ah my bad i didn't notice, i don't care man, i was just kidding around with ya. this forum needs a function that will tell you if someone else has submitted a reply on a thread while you were making your own comments. then we could see what they wrote and make any corrections to our post.

Atthehop, ya i wish they offered better paying jobs up here too, that's how my family got out there in the first place, not enough dough up here for what my uncle was doing. this state would be a hell of a lot different if it could afford to keep the smart ones in. so many college graduates from here leave and never come back. i'll be in public sector here soon which pays pretty well for the position compared to the private, not to mention the benefits and the fact that the cost of living for the nothern part of the state is pretty cheap. but i'm getting off topic, really, the place has some amazing trails that go unrecognized. with the local clubs, we go out almost every weekend we can, there's a great 400+ acre park down in the Lewiston/Auburn area that just opened this year. and when you go further north around the bangor area, we get tons of nice mountains to climb we had guys from MA trailering their rigs up and they loved it! i haven't wheeled around too far, but i've read other's posts claiming maine's got some of the best trails in america, comparable to those out west. if you want the link to our homepage let me know, theres a nice picassa gallery from our rides this summer/fall.

Kings, hmm ya its tough with a soft top to protect your stuff. a new car wouldn't be that bad of an idea if you're really worried about it. GL!
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not enough demand for hard tops
limited to the specific model and vehicle

low production means cost prohibited $$$....
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I replaced my top a few years ago with a besttop Sailcloth, it's super quiet compared to the stock one I had on that was falling to pieces, it got so bad I could even get the back window to zip up. plus it had dry rot all over it. I live in Alaska, and it stays pretty warm in the cab even when it gets down into the single digits, I run it with full heat on the defrost/Feet position and by the time I get into town I have to turn it down or I will start sweating! the only time it doesn't get warm enough in the cab is when it's like -30 and I am doing over 60, then it stays a little cold, but that is what my coat is for. You can't go wrong with the Sailcloth version, I have no problems with it whatsoever. about a year ago, we had a major storm dump about 2.5 feet in one day you should have seen it! I would have sworn my top would have ripped, but it stayed strong. I know you were talking about getting a hard top but, they are so expensive and I don't think anybody makes them in a lighter material, it would be too weak and I think the colder temps would cause it to crack. That is a totally cool idea about being able to remove the windows, that I would like to see in a hard top.
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a lightweight and INEXPENSIVE hardtop is a great idea. the plexiglass would get scratched up ALOT though but if the price was right I'd buy such a hardtop... for the cold cold winter trail runs. softtop would work just as well though so thats probably why we havent seen a hardtop like that.
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No need for a hard top. No fun.......
How do you figure that? It takes me less than 8 minutes to remove my hardtop and full doors. I know, I timed it. Yes, it takes two people to physically remove it from the Jeep. Who cares?

I got my Jeep when I was in the Army and I carried around THOUSANDS of dollars of gear (your tax dollars at work). I couldn't put that amount of gear into a soft topped Jeep. Everyone knows how easy it is to steal from soft topped Jeeps.

Hardtop Jeeps and full doors have better resale value (whether or not you agree, it's true) and heat and cool faster when insulated (like mine).

Soft tops have their merits. I'm getting one in the spring, so I'm a believer too. The hardtop will be stored until next winter. However, to say that hardtop Jeeps aren't fun is a little extreme. Wouldn't you agree?
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Hardtops are easy to get off by yourself if you have a garage and can make a trip to a hardware store. For less than $30, you'll never need two people.
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What are the new tops made out of? The 08-09 models that have removable sections up front.
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Thats why they make bikini and safari tops. If you want to be a hardtop owner with a tj than thats the way it is. When did Jeep all of a sudden need to build conveniently... It's pretty convenient in its self to be able to take of the entire roof and surroundings. You might want to own a JK, i think thats what your really getting at. They have their own thread you know.
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i have a hard top that has the removable center section on the front, its called a targa top. im really not sure who makes it probably one of the big aftermarket distributors but it is a great top. the fact that it is two pieces makes it easy enough for one person to put on and take off.
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Bestop and Rally Tops make two piece tops. They can be difficult to seal without leaks.
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a lightweight and INEXPENSIVE hardtop is a great idea.
+1 something that would fall in right between the gap of soft top, and hard top.

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