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Old 07-07-2012, 07:43 PM   #31
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Wasting your time trying to have this conversation on this Forum.....I wonder how many have ran everything they say doesn't work for an extended period of time?

I have some but not all of the things mentioned, and have ran them for more than a couple years....and a lot of people were telling me IDK how to drive my Jeep because IMO it has enough power in traffic to drive around town running lower RPMs...bottom line I was told I was "lugging the motor" but no one ever rode with me or heard it.

How many people are driving around town above 2000K RPM---stick or auto?
I'm still running everything that I said "Isn't worth it" or a scam, so 6 plus years if not longer. I've been meaning to take off the programmer so I can run lower octane gas, I just haven't got around to it because of work and forgetfullness. I drive a stick and try to keep my rpms between 2 and 3 K, it seems happier there. 4K if climing a steep hill before I shift. I only consider it lugging if you are stepping on the gas and not accellerating, like trying to climb a hill at 1500 rpm. Idiling is different than lugging, I've read those posts that don't understand that.

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Old 07-07-2012, 07:54 PM   #32
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Wasting your time trying to have this conversation on this Forum.....I wonder how many have ran everything they say doesn't work for an extended period of time?

I have some but not all of the things mentioned, and have ran them for more than a couple years....and a lot of people were telling me IDK how to drive my Jeep because IMO it has enough power in traffic to drive around town running lower RPMs...bottom line I was told I was "lugging the motor" but no one ever rode with me or heard it.

How many people are driving around town above 2000K RPM---stick or auto?
This guy right here. I try to keep it between 2-3k if i can. Under 25mph it doesn't matter enough because of my gearing though. So cruising at 25mph I'm at 1800rpm, if i have to climb a hill and hear it lug, I down shift to 2nd. At 45mph I'm at 2100rpm, 60mph I'm at 2200rpm. The engine is in its power band within that range.

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:18 PM   #33
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Was a performance engine builder for many years. Rule of thumb is the engine with the smallest port and the most flow wins the low rpm torque race. Most of the aftermarket parts I have seen for jeeps do nearly nothing in in the idle to 3000 rpm range. I agree that gears to keep you in your power band are best and when the time comes put the Golen Stroker in it. You'll be happiest that way. I don't think any of the items mentioned do anything for you on a crawl.
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:58 PM   #34
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I guess it depends on what kind of power increase you are looking for. I have 4.10 gears in my jeep and it is great off road. It is a little weak going up the 10,000 ft mountain passes we have her in Colorado. I would like a little more midrage power for cruising up the pass and being able to pass without blocking traffic behind me. I would like a bit more power in the 2000 to 3500 rpm range. I agree most of the aftermarket products depend on higher rpm's to be effective.
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #35
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My jeep rarely ever sees 3000 rpm. Only when getting on the highway or passing people. I have a 5 speed. When I'm maintaining speed around town I stay at about 1500 rpm. On the highway I'm at 2000 rpm at 70 mph. Is keeping low rpms bad?
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This guy right here. I try to keep it between 2-3k if i can. Under 25mph it doesn't matter enough because of my gearing though. So cruising at 25mph I'm at 1800rpm, if i have to climb a hill and hear it lug, I down shift to 2nd. At 45mph I'm at 2100rpm, 60mph I'm at 2200rpm. The engine is in its power band within that range.

I shift between 2 an 4k depending on how fast (ha ha) I am trying to get up to speed.
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I shift between 2 an 4k depending on how fast (ha ha) I am trying to get up to speed.
Yep me too. I'll wind it out to 4k in 3rd gear getting up to speed on the entrance ramp on the highway.
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:20 PM   #38
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Drop in a golen stroker 4.6. Don't waste your money on the little stuff it won't do anything.
Agreed. I'm going stroker as soon as I get the coin.
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intake, header, muffler, and throttle body spacer.
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Step one. Get rid of 3.07's (I need to.)
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:07 PM   #41
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One thing I would love to see is a dyno done on 505's roller rockers. The extra lift and 2 degrees of duration just might show some low and mid range boost. But even that would be minimal. Chad Golens stroker motors will work in our power ranges. It just costs bucks to improve on perfection. What else crawls with a 4.0. We are optimized to go slow and they do that great. It's like trying to get a Budwiser Clysdale and run it in the Kentucky Derby.
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One thing I would love to see is a dyno done on 505's roller rockers. The extra lift and 2 degrees of duration just might show some low and mid range boost. But even that would be minimal. Chad Golens stroker motors will work in our power ranges. It just costs bucks to improve on perfection. What else crawls with a 4.0. We are optimized to go slow and they do that great. It's like trying to get a Budwiser Clysdale and run it in the Kentucky Derby.
If someone can convince 505 to send me a set I would gladly publicly document the results on here and other forums using our Mustang Dynamometer to trace an accurate wheel horsepower and torque graph. Really the only true way to show it's worth.
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Hey I just looked You got an AWD Mustang. Wonder what a Jeep loses in 4 wheel hi compared to 2 wheel high?
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Hey I just looked You got an AWD Mustang. Wonder what a Jeep loses in 4 wheel hi compared to 2 wheel high?
I can find out.

We are running the Ford Dyno event at AirVenture 2012 so I can't do it this weekend. We just repainted it and are gonna polish on Saturday.

I plan on running a Borg Warner EFR 6258 (Newest turbo tech, internal waste-gate and integrated bypass valve) on stock internals for now. Paired with 505 Roller Rockers and universal turbo kit, JBA header and custom turbo-back, of course.

I found someone that will do the flash tunes, and I can load them and datalog with the DiaboSport InTune.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:10 PM   #47
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I got my 99 tj very poor power lots of down shifting, so I WENT WITH A hesco high flow throttle body, k&n perfommance air intake and edge chip and it made alot of differance, hills I shifted down on before now go over in fifth. Great throttle responce was way better. Running 31s with stock gearing, running bigger tires takes lots of power. It's not a 327 but alot better then it was.
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Bosch 4 hole injectors gave me about 3 mpg.
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3 extra liters got me roughly 300 hp, 300 tq

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