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Old 02-15-2011, 01:04 AM   #1
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pre-2007 wrangler unlimited 2 door question

Though 10" longer in wheel base, is the unlimited 2 door RUBI. any less trail worthy or capable than the regular Wranlger Rubicon? What advantages (besides the obvious larger storage space) and dis-advantages in the unlimited?

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Old 02-15-2011, 01:28 AM   #2
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The LJ's (Unlimiteds) ride a lot smoother on the highway which I really appreciate bc I put in a fair amount of highway miles. They are a little more cumbersome if you are dealing with extremely tight trails where a short wheelbase might come in handy but that's generally not a huge deal. I love having the extra room in mine and I don't do any trails where I need to make super tight turns so I have nothing to complain about with my Unlimited! After owning this jeep I don't know if I'll ever go back to a short wheelbase one! Well maybe if it's a dedicated crawler I will

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Old 02-15-2011, 01:43 AM   #3
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Another advantage is longer rear drive shaft if you lift. Just picked up an 05 LJ Rubi, I expect it will trail nicer than my TJ. Josh at Rokmen told me he'd never give up his LJ. And as already stated the extra room is killer!
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I've also found that my LJ rides much nicer over choppy terrible roads (which is pretty much every road in NJ) than its' SWB counterparts. The turning radius does suffer a bit though.

Regardless the extra storage and extra leg room for the rear seat passengers is pretty much the only reason I was able to consider a wrangler at all. Else, I might still be looking for a nice low mileage XJ.
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:52 AM   #5
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Shorter wheelbase is better for tighter trails, longer is better for climbing hills. It's all a trade off. But LOTS of very serious offroaders really like the LJ.
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lifting LJ Wrangler pre-2007 Long wheel base

Thoughts on raising 2-3" for trail usage on the Rubicon model?
What is real benefit?
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:30 AM   #7
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Ping the guys over at Rokmen Gear Up....Rok On They love there LJ's. Has one on the main splash. I am sure there are people here that have done it also.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:53 AM   #8
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Thoughts on raising 2-3" for trail usage on the Rubicon model?
What is real benefit?
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I found the major problem with the LJ to be breakover angle. The stock skid hangs down 4.65" below the frame and gets hung up easily. I installed a tummy tuck (JeepMedic brand), which gains over 2" of clearance.


Trail usage?


This is 2.5" OME lift, 1" BL and the tummy tuck, on 33s.


Thats 15" clearance under the belly.
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Old 02-16-2011, 10:29 AM   #9
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Great pics-thanks

I really appreciate the valuable pics of your raised jeep. I am new and thus, ignorant, which will change over time.
Questions: Is the "tummy tuck" something a local off-road shop can and does routinely?
What do the other terms you use mean referring to the 2.5" and the 1"?
Can the 33" tires be put on a stock rubi?
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Questions: Is the "tummy tuck" something a local off-road shop can and does routinely?
you buy it and install it yourself, not hard at all....4 bolts on the bottom, 6 bolts on the frame.
Read this here:
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What do the other terms you use mean referring to the 2.5" and the 1"?
OME = Old Man Emu
BL = body lift
MML = motor mount lift
Far more detailed info on parts installed here:
Unlimited04's LJ Build - JeepForum.com

If interested in OME, call up DPG Off-Road or Rokmen for more info:
www.dpgoffroad.com
www.rokmen.com

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Can the 33" tires be put on a stock rubi?
nope. 31" is max size. 245/75R16.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:24 AM   #11
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Damage from change in jeep geometry?

Great explanations and pics. Some say that angle changes with that much new hardware will excessively wear and damage vital components-drive train, brakes ect. I would like the taller clearance. Your comments.
Also, if I lift the body 2.5" with the standard spacers and add 33"tires-what is the difference between yours and that more traditional approach?
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:03 AM   #12
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The LJ was a lot smother on the highway I did a cost to cost drive it is a better ride and the extra room in the back was perfect for bagege of two adults and a 4yr old I did not have to have a trailer.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:10 AM   #13
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I had a TJ and now an LJ and love it. I use my jeep as a multi-purpose "tool" and it does the job very well.

A small lift and a bit larger tires make all the difference in the world as far as making it a bit more capable off road, the handling and the looks.

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Old 02-18-2011, 09:28 AM   #14
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funny how I never saw any LJs on the road until I started looking at them and getting an itch.

I used to HATE LJs. The way they looked was just goofy. I later realized that they look odd in some pictures and that a lot of the pics I saw were stock. Not all cameras are the same and some pics are just taken at odd angles and such. I then spent HOURS slowly creeping through LJ pic threads.

I was stopped next to one at a stop light. Stock black with a hardtop. The hardtop glass looks a little weird, I'm not sold on that yet. The soft top looks better IMO. But the overall size of it isn't exactly what I thought. It is very appealing to me.

But when I see pics of them with the top down and see those longer roll bars declining to the back of the rig...maybe rollbar padding off with some handles and maybe maybe a cargo net on it too?!?!!

aagghhhhhhhh SO SICK!

There are 3 in my area that I'm trying to nab. also came across a LJ Rubicon Sahara. However, it is out of this guy's price range.

Now if I can only get one of these clowns to finance me a few grand I will begin my LJ journey.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:40 AM   #15
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lift on silver pic?

What is the lift (and how) and size tire on that fine looking silver LJ?
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are the stock Ravines ok to keep if I plan to upgrade to a 33" tire?

Obviously I don't mind cosmetically but if I can save some money off the bat by not having to snatch up Cragars then it will benefit me financially.

Any input?
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:15 AM   #17
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Here's my take on the LJ vs. TJ. For cargo carrying, highway use, and extremely steep climbs or descents, the LJ is better. For general offroading, especially on extremely difficult trails where ground clearance together with steep approach, departure, and breakover angles is crucial, the TJ is the way to go. On the extremely difficult/rocky trails I prefer, you don't see LJs because of their poor breakover angle that the longer wheelbase causes.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:23 AM   #18
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With 33 inch tires your brakes and other things wont have much more wear and tear on them at all. If you move to 35's thats a whole new ball game. Then you need to upgrade your steering, brakes, and axles if you dont already have a Dana 44 rear. But in LJ's cases they all have Dana 44 rears and the rubi has a dana 44 front as well. So axles arent a issue. Now as far as driveline. When you lift it over 3 or 4 inches you may start to experience driveline vibes and could throw u joints like no tomorrow. The fix to this is A slip yoke eliminator (SYE) kit, adjustable upper control arms, and a CV driveshaft. A SYE basically shortens the back of the transfercase buy 4 inches. Which means your drive shaft needs to be 4 inches longer. This makes it so the driveshafts angle isnt so steep. The CV shaft has 2 extra joints up towards the transfer case letting it be on a better angle as well. The upper adjustable control arms are used to point the yoke on your differential up make a straight line with the yoke on the transfercase. Again resulting in a better driveline angle. I'm sure someone can post pics of theres and explain a bit more. Have fun.
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:14 AM   #19
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What is the lift (and how) and size tire on that fine looking silver LJ?
Currie short arm system with 3" AEV springs, Rancho XL9000 shocks, 305/70/16 tires with 1.25" Spidertrax spacers.

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