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Old 12-09-2011, 11:56 AM   #31
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Well, also on the cons, there's some things you just can't buy for a LJ and have to fabricate yourself, like a security shelf system for the area behind the back seat.
I just put a locking toolbox and lock box behind the rear seat, then ran security cables around the roll bars (both to keep them from getting stolen and to keep them from taking my head off in an accident).

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I just bought a '05 LJ Rubicon - with a 2" lift I prefer the stability for the type of off roading we do around here. I haven't notice the departure angle to be an issue yet, but I expect that as we try more difficult trails it might. I figure I'll just get a thick skid plate for the gas tank and scooch it around like a dog on carpet.

It's a lot more driveable on the highway than TJs I've driven. Plus the extra room is really nice - I can fit four people and a bunch of gear comfortably. The small interior space of the TJ is why I'd never bought a Jeep up until now. So far I'm very happy with my LJ - don't regret the purchase at all.

The only thing I don't like is the hard top - going to sell it and get a soft top soon. Just need to find someone around here with the cash.

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I bought mine this summer and we love it. 31's look OK to me and ride just fine.

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Old 12-09-2011, 06:38 PM   #34
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I bought mine this summer and we love it. 31's look OK to me and ride just fine.

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Old 12-09-2011, 07:40 PM   #35
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I just bought a '05 LJ Rubicon - with a 2" lift I prefer the stability for the type of off roading we do around here. I haven't notice the departure angle to be an issue yet,
It shouldn't be. The gas tank and gas tank skid are in exactly the same place as the TJ. I did experience a lot of skid clanging with just 2" of lift, but that's what it's made for. When I added a BL to get space for 33's, I also added an aftermarket TJ skid (Savvy) that tucks the gas tank up a little further between the frame rails. Now it takes a lot to clang the gas tank skid.

The *only* departure angle problems I ran into due to the greater overhang at the rear was: 1) The tow hook (further back than on a TJ) kept setting down and dragging (solution: Aftermarket bumper), and 2) the exhaust pipe got *really* beat up after a while (solution: Cut off exhaust pipe flush with gas tank skid, i.e., same length as on TJ, Mr. Sawzall is your friend ). Both had easy solutions as you see .
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The *only* departure angle problems I ran into due to the greater overhang at the rear was: 1) The tow hook (further back than on a TJ) kept setting down and dragging (solution: Aftermarket bumper), and 2) the exhaust pipe got *really* beat up after a while (solution: Cut off exhaust pipe flush with gas tank skid, i.e., same length as on TJ, Mr. Sawzall is your friend ). Both had easy solutions as you see .
I like the exhaust solution... A new rear bumper is the first thing I want to do after a soft top - I'll remember about relocating the tow hitch.
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There is a greater overhang on a LJ vs a TJ? The scrambler or CJ 8 had a 10 inch longer wheel base and an additional 10 inchs behind rear wheel. I did not think the LJ did. To me the LJ is a closer cousin of the CJ 6 which had an addional 10 inchs of wheel base but the same amount behind the wheels as it's brother the CJ 5. I could be wrong though. I had an 82 Scrambler and sold it a few years ago and just recenlty picked up an LJ and love it. For me the additional 10 inches of wheel base makes it smoother on the road and little better off road. Although like a previous poster said it does mean you might have to "jockey" it around some tight spots but in the end it is well worth it.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:39 PM   #38
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Pros - lift it up to 3-4 inches without driveline vibes due to the longer rear ds. No need to lower the transfer case or any of that. Rides much better than a tj too but you already knew that.

The LJ is the best Jeep ever made. That's why I searched/waited for a year and drove 300 miles to get my 06 LJ rubi. I tend to believe that they will be highly sought after in the years to come.
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:49 PM   #39
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There is a greater overhang on a LJ vs a TJ?
Yes. On the TJ there is a frame crossmember member going across the back that the gas tank skid and bumper both bolt to. On the LJ that frame member is there in the exact same location, but only the gas tank skid is bolted to it. Instead, there's a 5 inch extension welded onto the end of what would be the TJ frame and then an *exact duplicate* of the TJ rear frame crossmember welded to the end of the LJ frame, and *only* the bumper is bolted to that. So there's a nice little space between those two identical frame cross members where you could put a long skinny air tank for your onboard air system or something of that sort. Anyhow, the extra overhang isn't really noticeable if you just look at a LJ because of the proportions of the beast, you have to actually look underneath to realize, "wait a minute, they added on some extra there!".

I'd post a link to a pic but don't have one handy on the Internets at the moment, sorry!
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Pros - More room, more awesome
Cons - 35's sometimes look small

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Yes. On the TJ there is a frame crossmember member going across the back that the gas tank skid and bumper both bolt to. On the LJ that frame member is there in the exact same location, but only the gas tank skid is bolted to it. Instead, there's a 5 inch extension welded onto the end of what would be the TJ frame and then an *exact duplicate* of the TJ rear frame crossmember welded to the end of the LJ frame, and *only* the bumper is bolted to that. So there's a nice little space between those two identical frame cross members where you could put a long skinny air tank for your onboard air system or something of that sort. Anyhow, the extra overhang isn't really noticeable if you just look at a LJ because of the proportions of the beast, you have to actually look underneath to realize, "wait a minute, they added on some extra there!".

I'd post a link to a pic but don't have one handy on the Internets at the moment, sorry!
Correct you are man. I went out and looked and it does. My bad. It is just not as noticeable as on the Scrambler I guess. Thanks for the info and the correction.
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I love my LJ. I have always thought the Scrambler was THE offroad rig to have; however the ones that are still in good shape are too expensive and the ones that are affordable are too far gone for what they sell for. In my opinion, the LJ is the modern Scrambler.

I found my LJ at a Chevy dealership. I traded my '05 TJ Rubicon straight across for the LJ. The poor guy had traded it for a Camero for his wife! A few weeks after, he came up to me in the grocery store parking lot and was sick about letting it go.

My LJ has a 2.5" lift with Metal Cloak fenders which allow me to run 35's and still be super stable on the trails and road. I use it to pull my pop-up camper, duck boat and work trailer. The extra room allows for a large dog crate to be used with the rear seat folded up. I am a Search and Rescue training officer, so I carry alot of gear. I love the extra room. I have used it numerous times to get gear to rescue scenes.

It has a Dana 44 in the rear and does need a 4.56 conversion. It also came with a soft top that I don't care for.

I use my LJ everyday. It is my 3rd Jeep and probably gonna be around for a while. I haven't had any complaints about the off-road capabilities. It does all of the trails I drove with my '86 CJ-7 and my '05 TJ Rubicon.

I would recommend the LJ to anyone who needs a daily driver Jeep, but doesn't want to give up any off-road performance.
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:56 AM   #43
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We wheel with an English Mastiff so we opted for an '06 LJ Rubicon. So glad we did. Resell value is better, ride is better, extra storage is awesome, Moose has plenty of room and long trips are much more enjoyable.

We've been super happy with it. Agree with previous posters... They do look silly until they are lifted and get some meat under them.

Because I didn't want to regear we have 33's. It looks better but totally agree it needs 35's or 37's.
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Do you get any interference at full articulation? I want to run 35s on my LJ, but don't want to have to do a tall lift. If I could fit them under a 2.5" lift, that would be perfect.
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Do you get any interference at full articulation? I want to run 35s on my LJ, but don't want to have to do a tall lift. If I could fit them under a 2.5" lift, that would be perfect.
No. I don't have any interference. I have had it in full articulation quite a few times and haven't had any problems. I run 35x12.50 Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ's on ProComp steel rims. I have Smitty bilt bumpers front and rear. The Metal Cloak fenders are the answer.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:09 AM   #46
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Im in the love the LJ boat. Even with 6" if lift using BDS springs, jks control arms and ROKMEN's rear spring mount relocation and 35" tires it still rides great and tracks straight down the road. And thats keeping it short arm.

I found 06 LJ Rubicon this past April at a Ford dealership in Arkansas, had 31k miles and not a scratch in it. It was priced well below market value and after not finding any record of previous serice issues I asked why it was priced so low. Salesman told me that the longer unlimited ones were not desirable hense only being in production for 3 yrs.

Paid 17,5 over the phone and tore ass to pick it up. For what my intended uses are, primarily a recreation/hunting rig...there are no disadvantages.
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Hello, there was wondering if anyone can confirm axles, gear ratio, locked or limited slip etc on an 06 LJ I have my eye on one....thank you
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I have a 06 not rubicon dana44 in rear 35 up front 373 gears and limited slip in rear
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Hello, there was wondering if anyone can confirm axles, gear ratio, locked or limited slip etc on an 06 LJ I have my eye on one....thank you
Non-Rubicon LJ's have Dana 30 front and Dana 44 rear and 3.73 gear ratio, the Dana 30 will go up to 4.88 gearing so that's what limits you with tire size on the Dana 30 if you upgrade its axle shafts to "Super 30" status with a locker supported by such. On the '06 all of them sold locally at least (San Jose area) were fully loaded with the limited slip in the rear, I cannot speak to earlier years or other areas. If you have a VIN, you can contact Chrysler via their customer support email address for a build sheet and they can tell you exactly what the Jeep was built with, which may not be what it currently has but at least you'll know where it started from!

Rubicon LJ's are identical to Rubicon TJ's -- Dana 44 front and rear, 4.10 ratio, air lockers front and rear.
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thanks for the help guys....much appreciated
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Yes I just found out I was wrong on the Dana 35 they come with dana 30 in the front but the rubicons come with electronic lockers don't they and not air locker
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Yes I just found out I was wrong on the Dana 35 they come with dana 30 in the front but the rubicons come with electronic lockers don't they and not air locker
2003-2006 Rubicons have air lockers, 2007 and newer use electric lockers.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:24 PM   #53
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Oh right on somete I wish I would of got a rubicon
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2003-2006 Rubicons have air lockers, 2007 and newer use electric lockers.
pretty sure LJs use e lockers.
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pretty sure LJs use e lockers.
Err, no. Two Jeepers in my club have LJ Rubicons's, they're air lockers like all other TJ Rubicons. The only LJ's with e-lockers are those with aftermarket e-lockers.

JK Rubicons introduced the e-lockers in 2007. Before that, all Rubicons had air lockers.
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so wat pump does it run off of? can i up grade that pump to air up my tires?
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so wat pump does it run off of? can i up grade that pump to air up my tires?
There are two very *small* low pressure pumps on the TJ Rubicons that operate at approximately 8PSI to activate their air lockers (their air lockers are *NOT* ARB air lockers, they're some other design). One pump drives the front locker, one pump drives the rear locker. These pumps are located on the transfer case skid plate next to the transfer case. You might try doing a Google search if you want to see what these pumps look like.
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ok good to know. never knew that. thanks for the lesson. still kinda got alot of learnin to do. seems like there should/would be more prducts about this switching out old for new and poor for better. this will be my new thing to research. since ive figured out pretty much everything else wana do.
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pretty sure LJs use e lockers.
As I said above, electric lockers did not come along until 2007.
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