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Old 02-28-2012, 02:47 PM   #61
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I'm loving my '04 LJ; I coach youth football and carry all of my gear in the back WITHOUT taking the seat out. I bought it about a year and a half ago with only 35K miles on it; the dealer was asking $15K for it so I had to jump on it.

The only cons are the stupid hard top (soft tops for it are pretty expensive for my military paycheck...ahem, Bestop), and the slightly larger turning radius.

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I'm loving my '04 LJ; I coach youth football and carry all of my gear in the back WITHOUT taking the seat out. I bought it about a year and a half ago with only 35K miles on it; the dealer was asking $15K for it so I had to jump on it.

The only cons are the stupid hard top (soft tops for it are pretty expensive for my military paycheck...ahem, Bestop), and the slightly larger turning radius.
Just a thought! You could get over $1000 for your LJ hard top all day long! And a soft top with hardware is less than and you would have leftover cash to boot. Living in the south, you don't need a hardtop. But valuable to jeepers in the north.

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but the LJ comes with a D44 rear...
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:55 PM   #65
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I've had a TJ and now a LJ rubicon. The only con is that its a bit more tricky to get into really really tight spaces, but it hasn't caused me any issues yet, just another few seconds. Other than that its 10x better! The extra room makes it useable with passengers. I went snowboarding with 4 adults and that is something my TJ never could have done. You can fit a real cooler in the trunk area. When I bought my TJ I thought the unlimited was the model with power stuff and leather so I didn't even look at them. After I knew jeeps better I saw the extra length and trunk space and was kicking myself for not buying on.
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:24 AM   #66
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Just a thought! You could get over $1000 for your LJ hard top all day long! And a soft top with hardware is less than and you would have leftover cash to boot. Living in the south, you don't need a hardtop. But valuable to jeepers in the north.
True, but there aren't a lot of LJs around here so the DEMAND isn't as high as my NEED to sell.
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:52 AM   #67
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Just repeating everything thats already been said. I spent the last year researching a rig that I could occasionally DD but that would be a good trail rig. I have owned FJ 40 landcruisers but wanted some more street worthy. Have had a YJ but short wheelbase and leaf springs left a little to be desired on road. I searched for a 2005-2006 TJ Unlimited Rubicon for about 3 months until I found one with low miles (10,000) and in pristine stock condition. Now the mods begin, I believe it is one of the most capable off road rigs you can currently buy and if built right can serve as a DD.
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True, but there aren't a lot of LJs around here so the DEMAND isn't as high as my NEED to sell.
Put your LJ hardtop on the market for a great price on the jeep forum and watch the jeepers get inline to buy!
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:29 PM   #69
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:39 PM   #70
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Another thing I'll point out, pro the LJ vs. a new JK, is that the LJ is a better off-road vehicle. The only thing hanging down under a LJ is the "shovel" and the gas tank, and both can be tucked up higher. And the space under the rockers on even a mildly lifted LJ is pretty impressive and you can put real body-mounted rocker guards on the thing. The JK has a big-a$$ gas tank hanging down on the passenger side belly of the Jeep and it CANNOT be tucked up because there's a frame member *ABOVE* it. The frame rails on the JK are taller and moved to the outside of the Jeep to make room for the gas tank inside the frame rails, so there's almost *no* space under the rockers. Because of the boat-like curved shape of the sides of a JK and the very thin/flimsy sheetmetal used on the JK body, there is not a single body-mount rocker guard that'll survive the Hammers without causing body sheetmetal damage, folks who run JK's in that environment typically use frame-mount LoD or Shrockworks rocker guards, meaning even *less* clearance under the rockers. So if you're intending to build an *offroad* rig, and you can't deal with the TJ because of its hobby-horse ride and short wheelbase and tiny interior, the LJ is a good choice indeed. Though I'll point out that even a stock LJ Sport rides rougher and has a more-jiggly ride than a *short* wheelbase JK... the JK is an awesome road steed, far better than the LJ. But offroad? My old LJ Sport with 32" tires could outdo a JK Rubicon with much better "on paper" stats with just the addition of a front Aussie Locker on the LJ. And I know this from *personal* experience, yo!
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Enough Said! It's BADASS.
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:17 PM   #72
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[QUOTE= But valuable to jeepers in the north.[/QUOTE]

I have a soft top up in Montana It does just fine
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:01 PM   #73
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My buddy has an 06 LJ Rubi and he loves that thing. Gas milage is around 20 on the highway and he's running 32s. The front seat is pushed back an inch or two so you have more leg room. We did some off roading in CO and he had some clearance issues on really tall rocks that I breezed over in my TJ but not a big deal
that is probably bs. i have 35's on my lj and the best i have ever gotten was 10 mpg on the highway. the only con i the same amount of power but more weight. other than that it's amazing.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:09 PM   #74
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that is probably bs. i have 35's on my lj and the best i have ever gotten was 10 mpg on the highway. the only con i the same amount of power but more weight. other than that it's amazing.
I got around 17mpg highway with 32's and 3.73 gearing on an LJ with 2.5" suspension lift and 1" body lift, and around 12mpg city. Of course it was utterly gutless with that tall of gearing even with 32" tires...
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I don't own a LJ, but do own a 2003 TJ X and A 2012 jk Rubicon, but I have driven my friends LJ Rubicon back in the woods and some rock crawl. I will give you a honest evaluation, of which some won't agree with, but that's O.K. We are here to advise one another on our experiences and opinions, but the intent is not to hurt any body's feeling, but rather just good constructive conversation! If there are some that don't like my choice of a TJ X and a JK Rubicon well that's also O.K.
So for the LJ, well it depends on your main goal, is it appearance, functionality, or both?
Let's talk about appearance. To me it is too long and narrow and reminds me of something that you would see in a funeral procession, I believe that it is called a Hurst. The bottom line is geometrically it looks out of proportion and is not very pleasing to the eye, this is why I didn't purchase one, but there are a lot of them for sale on craig's list in my area. You may ask, well what about your JK, because it is also longer, yes it is but it is also wider more geometrically in proportion.
Now let's talk about the pluses, if functionality is your main goal, then it is very hard to beat! 4.0 engine, Dana 44 rear, not much of a driveline vibration issue when lifting, because of the longer drive shaft, much smoother ride than a TJ, more stability, more cargo space and finally just plainly more comfortable to ride in for both you and your passenger.
Good Luck in your decision!!!
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The LJ aesthetics improve drastically once you get some air under the belly, some tire under it and some width. The ass end behind the tires is still way too much for me personally but it can definitely be remedied.

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The LJ aesthetics improve drastically once you get some air under the belly, some tire under it and some width. The ass end behind the tires is still way too much for me personally but it can definitely be remedied.
Couldn't agree more on the "air." I bought mine entirely stock 8 months ago at an awesome deal that I couldn't pass up (2006 with only 30k miles). But I agree, something always, looked a little off. But I knew it was temporary.

But After a 3" lift along with 33x12.5 tires, she has a completely different personality.

Pros... I have 3 large dogs, with a 4th on the way, and they all fit comfortably. Shopping trips are not a problem if I need to get something large. The looks I get because she is not common.

Cons... She has a big a$$. (But that is OK, I am an a$$ man). Gas mileage. Parts can sometimes be hard to find or more costly. Because she is not common.
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All pros for me. I've only had mine for almost a year and I love it. I do like the 4door Jk's better but I couldn't afford it at the time. I didn't even know what a lj was either at the time of purchase. I love having extra room inside. Here's a pic.
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All pros for me. I've only had mine for almost a year and I love it. I do like the 4door Jk's better but I couldn't afford it at the time. I didn't even know what a lj was either at the time of purchase. I love having extra room inside. Here's a pic.
You should be proud of that one, because did a great job of improving the appearance!!!!!!!!!
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I can't imagine any cons for a tj that would get me to think twice not to get it, wish Jeep made lj's in the 90's ... Boy did they snooze or what?
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You should be proud of that one, because did a great job of improving the appearance!!!!!!!!!
Haha. I am thanks. I need flat fenders, that's my next mod. I have a 2.5 bb lift with 33's
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The bottom line is geometrically it looks out of proportion and is not very pleasing to the eye ... well what about your JK, because it is also longer, yes it is but it is also wider more geometrically in proportion.

You are really reaching.
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No. I don't have any interference. I have had it in full articulation quite a few times and haven't had any problems. I run 35x12.50 Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ's on ProComp steel rims. I have Smitty bilt bumpers front and rear. The Metal Cloak fenders are the answer.
When you say "full articulation" do you mean with or without sway bar? I ask because I have an LJ with Pro Comp 4" Short Arm lift and 35's. When I put sway bar disconnects on recently I am having lots of rubbing issues on factory fenders.
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When you say "full articulation" do you mean with or without sway bar? I ask because I have an LJ with Pro Comp 4" Short Arm lift and 35's. When I put sway bar disconnects on recently I am having lots of rubbing issues on factory fenders.
Those fancy sway bar links did nothing for you. Not having the sway bar links attached did.

Bump stops. Yours aren't set right.
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Those fancy sway bar links did nothing for you. Not having the sway bar links attached did.

Bump stops. Yours aren't set right.
I'm quite aware that bump stops would stop the rubbing. I'm also aware that they would limit my articulation. That's why I directed my question to an individual with a similar setup (plus tube fenders) to see if he could fully articulate (no extra bump stop) because that is my goal.
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You make it sound like bump stops are a bad thing. They're an integral part of your suspension and need to be adjusted properly, given your constraints. If you want more up usable up travel, do what it takes. That involves a lot more than just running shorter bump stops.
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both TJ and LJ are badass's.

Pro is the extra room if you need it especially if you don't own a pick up plus they are rare and in years to come they will be worth some good cash compared to TJ's.

Con for me is I'm not the greatest when it comes to longer vehicles.. had bad experiences with trucks and plus it won't fit in my small garage lol.
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When you say "full articulation" do you mean with or without sway bar? I ask because I have an LJ with Pro Comp 4" Short Arm lift and 35's. When I put sway bar disconnects on recently I am having lots of rubbing issues on factory fenders.

I am able to go full articulation with my anti-sway bars disconnected. Front and rear. I have double pin sway bar disconnects on the front and rear that allow me to simply remove the pins and remove the center rod of the sway bar disconnects. I prefer this design over the ones that only allow one pin to be removed.
The Metal Cloak fenders allow the front end to max out on the bump stops and still not get into the body. I run the recommended bump stops for my shock length. The rear doesn't really seem to have any issues either. I wheel pretty hard and don't have any rubbing problems.
Metal Cloak fenders are pretty pricey. You may try a body lift to reduce the rubbing problem. I don't really know much about that though. I haven't ever done a body lift.
I hope this helps.---Ladderslug

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