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Old 02-17-2012, 05:42 PM   #31
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To make that winch in the USA for that price would take a lot of undocumented illegal workers. Oops! Or as my Governor calls them, "New Americans".

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It will be interesting to see feedback from fellow Jeepers on how well they hold up.
I am still a believer in you get what you pay for.

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Here's another quick thought; if you are on the trail and you need your winch and it doesn't work, well you can't really blame any country of manufacture for not making sure your stuff works before you take it off the highway.
I'm not weighing in on the current argument per-se, but with regards to the above statement. You absolutely CAN blame the manufacturer if your equipment fails during use due to low quality materials or poor craftsmanship. Our own consumerist culture drives the market towards low price rather than high quality, and China is world-renowned for producing cheap products at the cost of quality. It's not something people just say to be racist or bigoted; simple inspection of process and product often reveal unskilled labor being used in manufacture, and less refined materials sourced for construction.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:19 PM   #34
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I would skip the winch all together.. get a come-along.. a winch can only pull you one direction.. a come-along will pull you any direction you want to go... I use a 6-ton one and it works just fine..
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At $294 for a 9000 lb winch its pritty hard not to consider it.
It really depends on what you want or need it for. If, you wheel your Jeep only occasionally, by yourself and you get in a bind, it will pay for itself in a single outing if, it works. I don't like those odds on survival but, I don't wheel alone. Have you gone on trail rides with other off road enthusiasts and see what they are running or how often they need to drag rope? That winch may be all that you need but, you are going to have to settle for slower speeds and several other factors. You will need to stay all over it and check it before every trail ride (normal procedure) and correctly respool after any recoveries.

Quadratec seems to be willing to stand by their product and while I am not their number 1 fan, I would give them a shot at the winch if, it suited my needs.

While I may have missed the reference to the fact that many Warn winches
are made in China, it is true. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. That doesn't mean that it will be an inferior product. It just means that a good company needs to have someone on site, in China, to keep on their butts about quality control.

Bottom line is that the winch might be all you need depending on your requirements.
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This is getting out of hand lol . Jk



BTW I am pretty sure an item only needs to have 51% from America to be stamped "made in America" w
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I've been thinking about the Quadratec winch. I've been wanting to get a winch I could install without replacing my bumper. This looks like this will fit the bill. I'll wait several months and read up on others experiences with it. Shoot for that price I agree with MD4p if it works once its worth it.
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I've been thinking about the Quadratec winch. I've been wanting to get a winch I could install without replacing my bumper.
None of them require that you replace your bumper.
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I've been thinking about the Quadratec winch. I've been wanting to get a winch I could install without replacing my bumper. This looks like this will fit the bill. I'll wait several months and read up on others experiences with it. Shoot for that price I agree with MD4p if it works once its worth it.


BTW, Idk if you no this but , winches need a winch plate to mount up to. You can run a lot of winches on the original bumper.
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Shoot I didn't know that. All the winches I've seen are always on a extra heavy duty bumper. I've only had my Jeep for a couple of years and have just started to build it to what I want it to be... Thanks again I'll keep looking.
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Here's my $.02 for what it's worth. Quadratec says it's a good winch, they have a good rep imo, so it probibly is a good winch. However, I think it is always good to spend the extra it may cost on a product to keep American jobs here in America. The very fact that it is a Chinese made product excludes me from purchacing this or any Chinese winch(and I will be looking for one soon). I will spend and do spend the extra for American made products. I believe if more Americans bought more American made products, we would not be in as bad of an econimic slump.

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Not saying a $300 winch is necessarily awful or a Chinese winch is necessarily awful.. just saying that I look at a winch like I look at a gun. It only serves one real purpose.
I can promise you, Chinese guns have killed at least as many people as American made guns.
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Anyone else cringe every time they see a winch thread these days?
Yeah, but I still read every single one of them!
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I can promise you, Chinese guns have killed at least as many people as American made guns.
Yes, but more Chinese guns have killed the wielder than American ones...
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It may be $294, but with shipping it's $37.99 plus a 19.99 overweight charge. Hmmmm magically not the cheapest winch on the market now. You can grab an xrc8 for 269.99 shipped. Hook me up with free shipping then we will talk.
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It may be $294, but with shipping it's $37.99 plus a 19.99 overweight charge. Hmmmm magically not the cheapest winch on the market now. You can grab an xrc8 for 269.99 shipped. Hook me up with free shipping then we will talk.
https://www.google.com/search?sclien...ch&btnG=Search

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Also I would like to see this winch with a synthetic line option. I am actually surprised it doesn't already. Synthetic lines are so much safer and easier to use and practically every other winch has a version that comes with synthetic line.
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Also I would like to see this winch with a synthetic line option. I am actually surprised it doesn't already. Synthetic lines are so much safer and easier to use and practically every other winch has a version that comes with synthetic line.
If they do, let's hope they are astute enough to use 3/8" and not 5/16" synthetic rope.
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Also I would like to see this winch with a synthetic line option. I am actually surprised it doesn't already. Synthetic lines are so much safer and easier to use and practically every other winch has a version that comes with synthetic line.
A good synthetic line (just the rope) is 3/4 of the cost of that winch
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If they do, let's hope they are astute enough to use 3/8" and not 5/16" synthetic rope.
Don't you think a 3/8" synthetic line rated for a minimum break strength of 17.6k lbs is over kill compared to the 5/16" 12.3k for a 9k winch? I just want to know why you recommend 3/8" over 5/16"

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A good synthetic line (just the rope) is 3/4 of the cost of that winch
Doesn't make me want a synthetic line option any less.
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Don't you think a 3/8" synthetic line rated for a minimum break strength of 17.6k lbs is over kill compared to the 5/16" 12.3k for a 9k winch? I just want to know why you recommend 3/8" over 5/16".
Because it is synthetic rope and not steel wire, a synthetic rope is more easily damaged from abrasion. An increased safety margin is a good idea for that reason which is why I have run 3/8" synthetic on both of my winches.
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That's some good reasoning right there.
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https://www.google.com/search?sclien...ch&btnG=Search

Tada! If you do a google product search it lets you get free shipping. Someone shared this with me a few days ago.
Yeah the link you provided says free shipping, but when you click the link that comes up along with the free shipping statement, it clearly says there is a shipping surcharge. So unless I am reading it wrong the free shipping is just to suck you in, then they add a surcharge, thus negating the "free" of it.
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It may be $294, but with shipping it's $37.99 plus a 19.99 overweight charge. Hmmmm magically not the cheapest winch on the market now. You can grab an xrc8 for 269.99 shipped. Hook me up with free shipping then we will talk.
I already do provide free shipping to forum members who place their orders with me.

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Also I would like to see this winch with a synthetic line option. I am actually surprised it doesn't already. Synthetic lines are so much safer and easier to use and practically every other winch has a version that comes with synthetic line.
A synthetic model will be available at some point, we just need to see how these ones do first.

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If they do, let's hope they are astute enough to use 3/8" and not 5/16" synthetic rope.
It will most likely be a 3/8" rope, but a 5/16" on the 9000LB winch would be just as good.

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A good synthetic line (just the rope) is 3/4 of the cost of that winch
We'd either source the best rope we could to use, or use a manufacturer that we already carry. Either way, it won't be a cheap rope.

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It will most likely be a 3/8" rope, but a 5/16" on the 9000LB winch would be just as good.
No, 5/16" would not be "just as good". Period. I don't care that 5/16" synthetic has an approximate 12K breaking strength... that is only true when it is unabraided and in perfect condition.

When talking about synthetic rope which is far more suceptible to abrasion damage than wire rope is, 5/16" synthetic does not have enough of a safety margin for any of the size winches we run on our TJs. 3/8" gives the type of safety margin that even when abraided, within reason, would provide a safe rope strength for a serious winching situation. 5/16" synthetic rope breaks a little too often during winching situations to make me happy. This is a subject I know very well.
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Another winch thread, haha. Okay.

I'm glad I didn't buy a warn because I haven't been able to get stuck yet. I keep trying but it just doesn't happen. If I ever go somewhere with hard enough trails that I use my winch regularly, I will sell my Engo and buy a warn right away, because I know they are more dependable.

My engo still works, its only been about 8 months but, it still runs. Pulls good too.

something like 60% of our goods are chinese, yet I don't see alot of stuff falling apart. If Qtec says that they sourced the best parts, then I will believe them. But if it is proven wrong they would lose my trust. simple as that.

I invest in a thing called friends and they pull me out when I got stuck before my winch. It seems like buying a winch made it impossible for me to get stuck... hm.

I have a question for Qtec. I just got your spring magazine, and Saw your winch and plate. It looks exactly like my Engo and Engo plate, from what I can tell. Can you explain the similarities. Is it just because they are similar winches or what? same fairleads I do believe, the winch plate is identical, winch body and setup is much the same. Thanks Joe!
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If a Chinese winch ever came out that was just as good and dependable as an American made Warn winch, I would still buy the American-made Warn. I would rather keep my friends and neighbors employed and try to help our economy instead of the Chinese economy.

And due to simple pride and the fact our economy is still sucking, there is now a very public push in America to buy more American made goods. I was in that mode even well before that was popular and being discussed on some network news.
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To me, all the Chinese winches are basically the same and I wouldn't touch any of them. In my personal opinion, the Chinese aren't known for worrying about quality once the initial production runs have passed their American buyer's scrutiny.
I agree with this. I'll always order stuff from quadratec, but nothing thats made in china. I always try to support USA made products.

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