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Old 07-11-2011, 04:02 PM   #1
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Quick tire rotation question!

Hey jeepers! I have a quick question about rotating my tires, the front seems to me wearing oddly on the tread, not more on either left or right but on the tread pattern itself, I'll have to post a pic soon...pretty sure it's bc I need new shocks?

Anyway, my main question is do I need to balance my tires after a rotation? Assuming my tires are fine and balanced now?

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I wouldnt bother balancing unless they feel like they need balanced after you rotate them. If they arent wobbling/vibrating I wouldnt worry it.

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Hey jeepers! I have a quick question about rotating my tires, the front seems to me wearing oddly on the tread, not more on either left or right but on the tread pattern itself, I'll have to post a pic soon...pretty sure it's bc I need new shocks?

Anyway, my main question is do I need to balance my tires after a rotation? Assuming my tires are fine and balanced now?

Thanks!
I would wait until your rears are on the front to see if you need to balance them, trust me when I say you'll be eble to tell if you need to, Jeeps are the most finicky vehicle I've ever owned when it comes to wheel ballancing. As far as the wierd wear, is it just wearing out the center? If that's the case you have your tires over inflated. A jeep is fairly light weight, some tires say they'll take 40-60 psi, but if you do that on a Jeep you'll wear the center of the tread out and the outsides will still look almost new. 28-35 psi is what I hear recomended for street pressure on a Wrangler usually.
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I would wait until your rears are on the front to see if you need to balance them, trust me when I say you'll be eble to tell if you need to, Jeeps are the most finicky vehicle I've ever owned when it comes to wheel ballancing. As far as the wierd wear, is it just wearing out the center? If that's the case you have your tires over inflated. A jeep is fairly light weight, some tires say they'll take 40-60 psi, but if you do that on a Jeep you'll wear the center of the tread out and the outsides will still look almost new. 28-35 psi is what I hear recomended for street pressure on a Wrangler usually.
Thanks! I'll check into the inflation issue!
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Worst comes to worse if I get some sort of terrible wobble I can rotate them back and take it somewhere right?
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Worst comes to worse if I get some sort of terrible wobble I can rotate them back and take it somewhere right?
Yep. swap them to the back and head to a place that has a Hunter Road Force balance machine.
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Yep. swap them to the back and head to a place that has a Hunter Road Force balance machine.
Is this more expensive?
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Is this more expensive?
Generally not. The only thing I would recommend is watch them do it. Many shops will have several balance machines. Not all will be the newest and greatest (hunter9700 right now). So they may stick your tires on the old machine.
Request that they use the Road Force, and then watch them use it
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Here's a pic...you can kinda see what I'm talking about the middle tread seems uneven...like eat "individual tread" angles up or something...what would cause that?

My tires call for 50 psi so that's what I have them set to
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Here's a pic...you can kinda see what I'm talking about the middle tread seems uneven...like eat "individual tread" angles up or something...what would cause that?

My tires call for 50 psi so that's what I have them set to
I don't see the pic
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50 psi is WAY too much. That will cause the tire to over inflate, thus, your tires are only contacting the ground in the center and not fully across the entire tread.
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Here's a pic...you can kinda see what I'm talking about the middle tread seems uneven...like eat "individual tread" angles up or something...what would cause that?

My tires call for 50 psi so that's what I have them set to
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Lower them puppies down to about 26-28 psi and run them there for a while. Should get rid of the ridges. And might ride a little better
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Next time, go by the pressure located on the jeep rather than the pressure on the tire. The pressure on the tire is max pressure, and jeeps don't need anywhere near the max pressure since they dont weigh that much
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Next time, go by the pressure located on the jeep rather than the pressure on the tire. The pressure on the tire is max pressure, and jeeps don't need anywhere near the max pressure since they dont weigh that much
My jeep had 205s on it as stock...pretty sure tire pressure is different for a 205 vs a 31
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My jeep had 205s on it as stock...pretty sure tire pressure is different for a 205 vs a 31
Not true at all. those bigger tires can hold more weight than the stock tires, so the PSI doesnt need to be as high. Ive seen a few good formulas on here. Here is the easiest one.

Look up specs on your tire. Max load/max pressure= lbs per psi for your tire. So for a tire with Max load of 2225 and max pressure of 50psi. 2225/50=44.5 lbs per psi of support.

Now the avg weight of a tj is approx 3800lbs. so 3800/44.5= 85.39 psi. now you have to divide by 4 for the 4 tires. 85.39/4=21.34psi per tire.

So most guys run about 28psi for a little more tire surface on the ground.
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My jeep had 205s on it as stock...pretty sure tire pressure is different for a 205 vs a 31
Totally forgot what I was talking about, disregard what I was saying lol. You are right. As your tire size goes up your pressure will go down. Either way though 50 was way too high...even on stock tires
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Running 28-29 psi in 31 x 10.50's and they seem to do just fine on the pavement or gravel
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:01 AM   #19
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I'll take the tire pressure down today at least to 35-40

How come my front ones were the only ones wearing weird though? All tires are at 50psi and only the front looked like that
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I can't answer why the tread wear is screwed up, but 35-40 is still too high. Do a quick search and you will find a ton of threads discussing air pressure.
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I (Employed at a huge tire distributor) see the situation were someone inflates thier tires to what the tire says... Regardless of tire size, Follow the Inflation numbers on the inside of the vehicles door In terms of tire wear: if it is low in the middle - overinflation, on the sides - under inflation. If you have what we call cupping, one tread down, one up around the tire - is usually caused by worn suspension parts ie. shocks and sway bar links. A balance issue will vibrate a car at certain speeds, tire wear is usually indicated by erratic wear patches on the tire, not uniform like cupping.. All of this is the norm, and certainly not set in stone as its always different on a case by case basis.. but check the sticker on your driver side door for psi info.. I have 31x10.5 Duratracs and run them at 29psi (what my door says) and rotate in all 5 every 3000 miles. They are wearing very well.
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To wide of a tire on a rim can cause it to wear in the middle more regardless of air pressure.
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Defiance03Sahara, what is your rotation with the spare I was told long ago you can't cross rotate radials? Thanks
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I am on my 3rd set of the BFG A/Ts I have ran them at 26-28 from the start--when I replaced my "stock" Wranglers at 20k. My BFGs last on average 50-60k miles. I am more of a "mall crawler" than serious off road person--but mud, snow, or sunny summer highway at 75-80 --- 26-28psi works for me.
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I (Employed at a huge tire distributor) see the situation were someone inflates thier tires to what the tire says... Regardless of tire size, Follow the Inflation numbers on the inside of the vehicles door In terms of tire wear: if it is low in the middle - overinflation, on the sides - under inflation. If you have what we call cupping, one tread down, one up around the tire - is usually caused by worn suspension parts ie. shocks and sway bar links. A balance issue will vibrate a car at certain speeds, tire wear is usually indicated by erratic wear patches on the tire, not uniform like cupping.. All of this is the norm, and certainly not set in stone as its always different on a case by case basis.. but check the sticker on your driver side door for psi info.. I have 31x10.5 Duratracs and run them at 29psi (what my door says) and rotate in all 5 every 3000 miles. They are wearing very well.
The cupping you described sounds exactly like what I have, thanks! And I'm pretty sure I need new shocks! Will this go back to normal?

And what do you mean you rotate all 5? What are you doing with the spare?

You're only supposed to switch tires on same side right?
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The cupping you described sounds exactly like what I have, thanks! And I'm pretty sure I need new shocks! Will this go back to normal?

And what do you mean you rotate all 5? What are you doing with the spare?

You're only supposed to switch tires on same side right?
No, as long as your tires arent directional, cross rotation is ok too. As for 5 tire rotation...
Here is an example:

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When rotating I follow the directions in my '04 owner's manual. I went and checked the page number 192-193 rr goes to rf- rf goes to lr-lr goes to lf -lf goes to either the spare or to rr. I get decent tire wear-and the shop I get my tires at rotates and balances for free as often as I want---usually every oil change.
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When rotating I follow the directions in my '04 owner's manual. I went and checked the page number 192-193 rr goes to rf- rf goes to lr-lr goes to lf -lf goes to either the spare or to rr. I get decent tire wear-and the shop I get my tires at rotates and balances for free as often as I want---usually every oil change.
That is the same rotation as my diagram above
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What if I don't have a full size spare? Yesterday I just did same side rotation...is that okay?
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Same side rotation isn't recommended to get the most even wear out of your tires, they eventually need to get switched to the other side.

Since you don't have the same size spare, do a 4-way rotation... move the rear tires straight forward to the front and switch sides between the front tires being moved towards the rear.

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