I am planning on getting this top...can't wait to get rid of all the hardware...my question is can I use the factory windshield header that is on my current soft top or do I need to get a new one with this top. I know I can re use the back window bar. Any info on this top would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
Wow just looked and that is a great price...their website says call to save even more so I wonder if they would come down more...if not that is still the cheapest I have found it for. Thanks for that reply . Anyone know if jeep add ons gives a WF discount?
You guys know if this top is as quiet as the OEM soft-top? What about how quick it is to take on or off. OEM is kind of a pain IMO...
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You don't seem to be getting many responses. I always seem to have this issue also when I've posted. Kinda makes me feel unloved LOL
I'm interested in this top as well and have done some research, but haven't found a lot of reviews.
You can use the door surrounds you already have, but as other poster stated you will need special header.
I wonder if those straps using velcro hold up well being on the outside of the top. My Jeep is pretty much a daily driver 120 miles round trip, so I'm hesitant to purchase and then wind up not being able to tighten the straps sufficiently. I really like the idea of the window storage. It would be great if there was a way to store the door uppers safely too. I'm working on that one, but haven't found a good solution yet.
Good luck and I'll let you know if I find any more info in my searches.
You can use the factory door surrounds and they recommend replacing the windshield header bar. I just bought this top and i love. I can't tell you if it is quieter than the factory top but it's not very loud. Its kind off a pain to first get it fitted on. Let it bake in the sun for a few hours. Youll love this top
The only differance is the thickness i think. I couldnt justify spending the extra money on the sailcloth. Besides who buys a jeep and expect it to be quiet. Here in Florida i don't espect it to be on much.
Man, for how many people here have this top I'm surprised you haven't gotten more responses luckily I'm here to save the day and answer all your questions. I've had mine for around six months now and while I like it a lot, I'm not completely in love with it. Keep reading to find out more, although I know somewhere here there are some nice reviews
Equipment While it is a "frameless" top it's certainly not an "equipment free top." The only thing you get rid of is the frame. It requires door surrounds (factory is fine), a windshield bar with the bolt on type that allows you to slide the top in there, a tailgate bar, and tailgate clips (should have those already). This is no matter WHAT doors you have (full-steel included).
Quiet: It's definitely quieter then my older soft top, but not quite as quiet as my hardtop. That's to be expected, but road noise really isn't too bad by my count. There is a center strap that goes across the top and two bars that would appear to slap the roof and you're supposed to remove them, however, I haven't had any problems yet. You just have to pull the top tight.
Looks: I absolutely love the way the top sits and looks. It takes a small amount of rear headroom, but I don't have rear passengers usually anyways. People compliment me on the top all the time. My girlfriend is now buying one for her Jeep. It just completely changes the entire look of the Jeep.
However, there are a few negatives. The first is, it is a pain in the ass to take on and off. Expect about ten minutes of wrangling [haha get it?] to get it off and another ten to get it back on. It's not a great choice for a summer top that has to go on and off all the time. Places with a lot of rain, fuggit it. As much as I like this top, I'll be swapping it with my other top in the summer And when you install, tighten each side in increments or else it won't be even. And then you have to keep retightening every so often as the fabric stretches.
The zippers are also fairly cheap, and I've already had one break on me. Quadratec replaced it no problem whatsoever, but it's something I've got to be careful of.
When I wrote the other review, I wrote I was concerned about wearing around the soundbar because it's SO TIGHT. It's still a concern of mine I have.
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Well Burton, I've also had mine for about 6 months and love it. I could see where taking it completely on and off would be a pain. I only remove sides and rear, too hot in summer to have nothing overhead. I'd say sound is about same as factory, my daughter has a 99. I was annoyed with flapping sound, so I actually added a felt liner, since I'm not removing it, worked awesome! Overall I love the look.
Thought I would give a long-term review of the Frameless top, as I had the original Viking version and used it almost exclusively for 3+ years on my TJ.
From what it looks like, Viking sold the design to Rampage (if you look on Viking's site now, they link to Rampage's site for the frameless soft top). Somewhere along the line, improvements were made to fit and finish. As I had the original version, I won't address fit and finish issues any more than to say I was fairly happy with the original and didn't have too much of an issue with either.
From a durability aspect, I have seen some comments about concern over wear and tear on the top because it sits directly on the soundbar. As an owner for over three years, I can tell you that I experienced no wear and tear there whatsoever. The top was very durable in that respect.
Another mentioned concern over the rear velcro straps being outside the top, and what effect the weather would have had on the strength of the hold of the velcro. I can also report that was not an area of concern, the velcro held strong throughout my entire experience with it.
Where I did experience problems was with the plastic buckles on those rear straps. Exposure to UV over the years had degraded the plastic to the point where the buckle broke when snugging down the top. This was not as much of a concern as you might expect, as I simply turned the buckle around and was still able to use the top. However, use caution when snugging down those rear straps and do not apply too much pressure.
I really did not have any other durability issues with the top. I LOVED it's functionality, the lack of wind noise, and frankly I think the top itself looked great.
The ability to fold the windows up into the top and carry them eliminated many concerns I had about freak rainstorms. I left the side windows zippered in, and just folded them up into the holding area. Then, I left my rear window attached and once I detached the rear bar, I just folded it back over the side windows. That way, all I ever had to do was throw back the rear cover, drop the windows and then zip the sides of the rear window down. I had the maneuver down to under three minutes going from safari to full top.
Taking the top all the way down was a little more involved, as the method for stuffing the seams above the doors into the factory door surrounds was a pain (double-fold over, then stuff). That was the design feature I liked least about the top. I don't know if more recent versions have addressed that issue.
If I had it all to do over again, I would not hesitate to get the current version of this top and make it my exclusive soft top for the TJ. The pros far outweighed the cons in my mind.
FWIW, here is a pic of my TJ from a 2007 Moab trip with the top on it:
And how I ran with it 90% of the time... safari configuration (2009 I think):
i have done some quite extensive research over the last month on ergonomic, durable tops which get away from the factory hardware. I was about to give up and spend the extra time and money and design a top of my own, which would cater to my requiremnets perfectly, and as i was about to do just this, i stumbled on this top: