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Old 05-26-2010, 05:51 PM   #1
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Really bummed out ,Jeeps dead for awhile

I have a 97 wrangler sport and have put over a G into it getting it running really good, added a cold air intake, a throttle body spacer, along with a complete tune up and replacing more than a few sensors, I fixed the error code p300=random misfire of a cylinder finally when i replaced my rotor inside my distributor.
Was pretty pumped Jeep purring like a kitten getting great gas milage, so I ordered some American racing outlaw one rims to put on that bad boy plus had some bigger tires lined up to be installed, BUT! Today wasn't a good day at all I had a leak from my rear differntial both in the front<Rear pinion seal) and the back, I fixed the back myself , but took it to a trans shop down the road to do the front, well I got a call and the guy said wasn't the seal was rubbing and damage in there, I couldnt even get him to give me a round about figure on cost, he was acting like could be 2-3 grand
Oh man? I dont have that kinda money , I really have no idea what route to go with this repair, any tips or advice would be much appreciated . I spent so much time making this older jeep look and run really well now it looks like I might as well turn the plates in and let her sit till I can at least get a ball park figure on what this extreem damage is going to run me.
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What I would do is get the jeep back home and open the front diff up and look for yourself. If there is damage you will see it clear as day. There will be metal shavings somewhere also. So if this is the case were you need to rebuild your front diff but have no money. I would pull the axle shafts out of it. Take them apart and run just the stub shafts on each tire on the front of the jeep. Your 4 wheel high and low will now only work in the rear. That way you can drive your jeep just fine without causing anymore damage. Ohh post pics up here for me too.

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when opening up ur diff, throw a magnet in the drain pan, that will collect any metal shavings. makes it easier to see them all if there isnt a ton of them. thats what i do for any fluid change, helps ya see if something may be wrong, or is about to go wrong.
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There's a crush sleeve behind the yoke to set pre-load. so if you pull the yoke to change seal you can mess up the pre-load on the ring and pinion. If you have the Dana 35 rear end, I wouldn't spend any money on it. better to spend the money on a 8.8 or 44 upgrade. If you look in the catalogs G2 axle assy. are $2250. that's a D44 with locker.
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Take the jeep back from that guy!!! If he cannot tell you how much it will cost you ... he doesn't know enough about the differentials.

There may not be anything wrong with it. Maybe he is just trying to make some money out of you. First telling you that it will cost 2-3 grand and then giving you a HUGE discount by doing the job for 500-600 bucks! Don't fall for it!!

Get the Jeep home, open the differential, take some pictures and post them up here. I promise you WILL get good advice on what your options are.
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Sounds like some sort of scam - RUBBING? really? ask this repair guy to show you whats wrong -DONT put any money into that front end - you could have a new front end for that- if he cant give you a price - hes trying to take you. get a second opinion!
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$300-$600(major) for diff. repair I can see. Anything over that is very questionable. As was stated by flatline at those prices you can go to a Dana 44 complete ready to rock .
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Maybe I didnt explain well my problem is the rear differential not the front at all, but it's currently leaking from the pinion end at the seal of the rear differential. The mechanic said there was to much play in the drive shaft meaning he believes somethings messed up in there and fixing just the seal wont stop the leaking.
I know the rear was rebuilt awhile back but I wasn't the one who paid for this being my X GF was driving it and had some poor dude pay for 1500.00 worth of work, He was the one who told me about the work done to the differential being I met him when he helped me reposses my jeep back, thats a crazy story I wont get into, but anyway he said that the guys that did the work said if they were going to keep the jeep for a long time there was some side bearings that would need to be replaced?
I am trying to learn about differentials each day now, but when I had the back cover off the main sproket looked ok, I didn't know about the spider gears at that time so will look at that when remove the cover again, I jacked it up awhile ago under both wheel springs in order to put it in nutrual and turn the tires and see the drive shaft turn, I didnt hear this rubbing the guy talked about and I guess maybe theres some play in the axle but have no idea whats right or wrong, oh also when i changed the differential oil I didnt notice metal shavings, but I suspect there is something wrong being the mechanic said he has been rebuilding differentials for 27 years, he didnt charge me for looking at it, but said it would be 180.00 just to tear into it and tell me what cost I may be looking at.
I took my tags to DMV and called to have it dropped from my insurance just awhile ago being I just can't afford to have it worked on at this time, being we just started sending my wife to school for the next three months in hopes she can get a better paying job .
Tell me is there a quality place that sells new differentials? I think a new one for the rear is around 3g give or take, if I am going to have to pay 3g to fix my old one maybe putting a new one in is better. I just dont know what to even look at, I believe I have a Dana 44 in there if it isn't then I dont know what it is.
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(also try heat and your favorite penetrant from the back side).
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Went out today and bought some jack stands, I placed them under the frame with a few peices of 2x4 being the stands were not quite high enough to get the tires off the ground, this also alowed the rear end to drop some so will be easier for me to get behind that differential cover when i remove it probably tomorrow.
I turned the wheels getting under the jeep which made me a tad nervious trusting the new jacks and rigged boards I placed ontop haha, I did hear rubbing where the brake drums are but not really where the pinion seal is, turning it there is maybe 3/16s play there not sure if thats from the trans or the differential<Guy at the shop said there was too much play so I am not sure whats ok and isnt.
Looking at the joint down there I maybe could replace that pinion seal myself if isn't to high tech.
I even started the jeep put it in gear again trusting these ? Stands and let the wheels spin in 1st, I didn't hear this rubbing , I guess I will pull that back cover off next and try the magnent deal and really inspect the spider gears and main.
I am trying to charge my video cam so maybe I will attempt to make a video step by step and get advice from you guys. I do know the back seal is leaking but as for damage back there I am right now questioning the 27 year veterian mechanic who made me take my plates in yesterday and cancel my insurance on my jeep till I can afford a 3000.00 repair. ps. tell me is it ok to jack up a jeep from under the axle or under the spring bolt ? I did both but worried about putting to much pressure on the axle.

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