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Old 10-22-2008, 10:03 PM   #1
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i am looking to replace my gears in my tj. i currently have 3.07 with 33 inch tires. i was looking at the ring and pinion sets and it says if you are replacing 3.31 or numericaly lower, you have to replace the case. i priced out the front and rear and it came out to be $914 do i really need to replace the case because only one company said it should be done.

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i am looking to replace my gears in my tj. i currently have 3.07 with 33 inch tires. i was looking at the ring and pinion sets and it says if you are replacing 3.31 or numericaly lower, you have to replace the case. i priced out the front and rear and it came out to be $914 do i really need to replace the case because only one company said it should be done.
I was thinking the cut-off was around 4.10, but you would need a different "Carrier" for 4.56 (that's what I'd reccommend for 33s).
Don't skimp on the installation, the going rate around here is 275-$300 per axle. 'Close' will work for a little while.

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You will definitely need a new carrier for your axles as well as the other goodies for the regear. Was the $914 price for the materials and labor? If so, do it! Sounds like a great deal to me! I paid $1100 about 10 years ago, the last time I had a regear done.
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I believe on the Dana 44. The cut-off is 3.73's and lower. One solution I have heard to this problem is to use thick gears. The carrier that the ring bolts too will have to be drilled out to fit the ring bolts, though.

I believe that the rubicon actually does this, and uses the thick gears for the 4.10 stock gear ratio.

I am not 100% positive about this solution. I have heard only to go this route if you own a locker that you want to keep. I believe that it is cheaper just to get the new carrier housings.
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With new carriers only selling for $60 or so if you shop around just a little, it's not usually worth the effort to try to find thick style ring gears. I paid $60 each locally when I needed new carriers so it's not like you have to find them online to get them inexpensively.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:01 PM   #6
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i looked at a new case on quadratec and it was $270. where would you find one that is $60?
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Got a link to that $270 case? I'd be real curious to see it. I just called a couple local R&P and axle parts houses until I found one that had what I needed in stock and it was $60 with no haggling.
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:10 PM   #8
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Oh, well no wonder it costs so much, that is a "loaded" case complete with bearings, shims, spider and side gears. What you're looking for is a bare empty case since you don't need anything of those extras to do a R&P installation.
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so all i would need is the empty case? i could use all of my stock parts from my case and put it in the new case?
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Yes, your existing spider and side gears will move right over into the empty case. The bearings and shims you'll need will come with the master install kits for the R&P gears.

However, I would not be buying ANY of this stuff on your own if it were me. You will be MUCH better off if you insure the installing shop provides every single part needed for the new R&P installation. If there's any problem after the installation and you provided the parts, the shop will simply say the problem was a result of the gears or parts you provided. Then if you try to get them replaced by the dealer you bought them from under warranty, they will blame the installer. And to be sure, problems with new gears are nearly invariably caused by the installer screwing something up since it is such an exacting job.

If you have the installer provide everything on one invoice, his warranty will be responsible for everything and you'll not be left with the installer and the gear dealer pointing fingers at each other.

The installing shop will usually discount the cost of the parts down if you ask them to and you know what you can buy them at a discount for. Their main profit is in the labor cost so they're normally ok about a parts discount if you push for it.
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sounds good. i will do it that way

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if you can get the thick gears then they are much stronger.......will not work in a hp 44 for future reference
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anyone got a spare 3:73 and up, carrier laying around?

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