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Old 05-01-2012, 10:55 AM   #1
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REVIEW-Tuff Stuff SRC Rear Bumper w Tire Carrier from Truck & Winch $318 Shipped

OK so I needed a rear bumper/tire carrier with a hitch receiver but I had an extremely limited budget. Recently I have gone from a serious off-roader to less than a weekend warrior since getting engaged and buying a house, so the "hardcore" factor of the bumper is a non-issue. And yes I know people will chime in with numerous jabs at quality, and buying what we know to be American made, and such but I don't give a squirt. I buy American every chance I get but when it came to this purchase...it is what it is.

I would have to start by saying $318.85 shipped from Truck and Winch in Cali to Eastern NC was a steal so I was VERY skeptical to say the least. First, the shipping was super fast. I ordered on April 21st and it was on my doorstep April 26th in two boxes. I can see how many people complain that they are missing parts as the box holding the bumper itself is very heavy and was damaged and ripped open in spots from the UPS guys slamming it around. The mounting bolts, instructions, and drilling template were all loose in the box so I was extremely lucky not to lose any of it. I am going to suggest to Truck and Winch that they tape that loose stuff to the bumper itself.

Upon unpacking I noticed a few interesting things. The bumper and carrier are SOLID. My welder buddy just happened to be there and he agreed with me that though these appear to be mass produced in China, we both agree the quality was extremely high for the price. All the welds look rock solid and the bumper and tire carrier are heavy duty. However, the supplied bolts look like cheap crap so I am going to go swap out for some better stuff at my local hardware store. The powder coating was definitely done quickly and looks like a 10 year old sprayed it with bedliner...which was fine with me because that's how it will look in a year or two for me anyway haha..

Now for the "get what you pay for" disclaimer. I decided that I would write this whole experience up for this forum before purchasing the bumper. So I figured the best thing to do to really review the purchase would be follow the directions given by the manufacturer instead of using my own ideas and experience.

I just knew there was no way in hell you could follow their little template, drill 4 holes, and slap this thing on...AND I WAS RIGHT. Their instructions were 1 side of 1 sheet of paper that showed you how to place the template on the bumper and drill the holes. I have seen more detailed instructions on an $8 shoe rack from Walmart! Just for fun I used their template and directions and of course, out of 10 holes that needed to line up...you could not get more than 3 or 4 to get even close and then getting them threaded took an act of God.

I decided to really take a laypersons view point as to make this little write up good for everyone so I asked my fiance what she thought would work to get all the bolts in (like the ones there's no way in hell to get to due to the gas tank skid plate). She suggested a combo of extensions and swivel head sockets which got to the bolts, but would have been a major PITA and didn't cure the issue of lining up all the bolts. She also suggested making the holes bigger in the bumper. This is when I finally just called the manufacturer's instructions BUSTED in a Mythbusters fashion.

Now I have done loads of installs of all sorts of crap so let me tell you why their "template" doesn't work. Just take your rear bumper off and put it back on. For some people it will be easy and some it will require 2 250lb men with pry bars and hammers popping and beating on it. Plain and simple it's not going to be easy on every Jeep. We tweak our jeeps all the time and i would venture to say no template is going to work perfectly for every Jeep. Also in this bumper's design the bolts thread into the bumper itself which leaves very little room for error when drilling.

So this will conclude step 1 of the write up and I will follow up next weekend with how you should really install these bumpers...which is way easier and takes much less time. All you need is a hand full of tools, floor jack, a piece of the cardboard box that the bumper came in, a pen, a tape measure, a buddy with a helping hand, and a 12 to 24 pack of beer

And lastly, I am interested to do a COMPLETE write up and not only tell you how the swing out mounts and works and if it rattles like hell or not. I will try to be as detailed as possible.

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Was thinking of getting the same bumper and carrier - looking forward to your future posts!

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SO. I didn't really take pictures during the install because it was a moderate PITA... and I was under a major time constraint. But I will be as detailed as possible for those wanting to buy this bumper/carrier.

First, after knowing that the holes on my frame didn't match up with the ones on the bumper I decided to make a template out of cardboard, with measurements listed for the distances between the holes. It will surprise you how "a little bit off" can mess your whole day up. Upon checking my template against my jeep it was easy to see how their "template" would cause you to drill the inner holes too low. I also drilled out the holes in my frame a little larger than recommended to have a little wiggle room. (I should mention that the bolts with this bumper pass through a frame tie-in, through your frame, and then thread into the bumper itself) A STUPID STUPID STUPID design if you ask me. Oh, and my outer holes (the ones already in the frame) weren't the correct distance apart so I had to drill them out more. The last issue was the frame tie-ins they sent were too long. They slapped into position but they didn't allow for any wiggle room and once they were in and I measured...things were WAY off. So I had to grind about each one of the inner frame tie-ins down about 1/8th an inch on the inside.

Once my holes all appeared Kosher I decided to unbolt the back 4 bolts to my gas tank and lower it down with my floor jack, yet it didn't budge. After removing my gas filler lines she went down a few inches granting my big hands access to the inner holes and tie ins. If you have a swivel head socket and a few different length extensions you will do well.

It took a couple buddies (and a few beers) to get everything in place and threaded up. I then used my impact wrench to snug up the bolts (bad idea). The second bolt I tightened spun out. So we wrenched everything on and it looked great...all except it seems way too close to the back of the Jeep. (Although in the end everything clears and works properly, I just don't like the way it sits).

Next came the swing out tire carrier. No instructions whatsoever. Luckily I've done this before and similar stuff on several vehicles. If you haven't done anything like this, just message me. The tire carrier went on and together extremely easy. After a few adjustments it was opening and closing with ease (as easy as it gets with a 100lb spare). The lug nuts do night tighten down far enough for a steel rim like my spare so just get some open-ended ones.

My suggestions to anyone buying this bumper. Be prepared to drop your gas tank (at least 3 or 4 inches. It isn't hard and will make all the difference in the world when trying to access the bolt holes on the drivers side. Also, stay away from the impact wrench when installing (haha). Upgrade the bolts. Make a template and get the holes right before even attempting to put the bumper on.

Here are a few pics of this bumper mounted on my Jeep. Sorry this write up wasn't as super detailed as I originally hoped. Hopefully it will help some of you. Bo



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SO. I didn't really take pictures during the install because it was a moderate PITA... and I was under a major time constraint. But I will be as detailed as possible for those wanting to buy this bumper/carrier.

First, after knowing that the holes on my frame didn't match up with the ones on the bumper I decided to make a template out of cardboard, with measurements listed for the distances between the holes. It will surprise you how "a little bit off" can mess your whole day up. Upon checking my template against my jeep it was easy to see how their "template" would cause you to drill the inner holes too low. I also drilled out the holes in my frame a little larger than recommended to have a little wiggle room. (I should mention that the bolts with this bumper pass through a frame tie-in, through your frame, and then thread into the bumper itself) A STUPID STUPID STUPID design if you ask me. Oh, and my outer holes (the ones already in the frame) weren't the correct distance apart so I had to drill them out more. The last issue was the frame tie-ins they sent were too long. They slapped into position but they didn't allow for any wiggle room and once they were in and I measured...things were WAY off. So I had to grind about each one of the inner frame tie-ins down about 1/8th an inch on the inside.

Once my holes all appeared Kosher I decided to unbolt the back 4 bolts to my gas tank and lower it down with my floor jack, yet it didn't budge. After removing my gas filler lines she went down a few inches granting my big hands access to the inner holes and tie ins. If you have a swivel head socket and a few different length extensions you will do well.

It took a couple buddies (and a few beers) to get everything in place and threaded up. I then used my impact wrench to snug up the bolts (bad idea). The second bolt I tightened spun out. So we wrenched everything on and it looked great...all except it seems way too close to the back of the Jeep. (Although in the end everything clears and works properly, I just don't like the way it sits).

Next came the swing out tire carrier. No instructions whatsoever. Luckily I've done this before and similar stuff on several vehicles. If you haven't done anything like this, just message me. The tire carrier went on and together extremely easy. After a few adjustments it was opening and closing with ease (as easy as it gets with a 100lb spare). The lug nuts do night tighten down far enough for a steel rim like my spare so just get some open-ended ones.

My suggestions to anyone buying this bumper. Be prepared to drop your gas tank (at least 3 or 4 inches. It isn't hard and will make all the difference in the world when trying to access the bolt holes on the drivers side. Also, stay away from the impact wrench when installing (haha). Upgrade the bolts. Make a template and get the holes right before even attempting to put the bumper on.

Here are a few pics of this bumper mounted on my Jeep. Sorry this write up wasn't as super detailed as I originally hoped. Hopefully it will help some of you. Bo



Awesome write-up! You dont happen to have the front bumper by the same company do you?
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:39 PM   #5
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I don't. I have a smitty tube bumper but plan on getting one to match this next
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I hope I am not too late in this post, but it is something that needs to be shared.

I have the same bumper that I purchsed from Truck and Winch via eBay. And you are right, it was a major PITA to install - holes not lining up, missing bolts, no installation instructions or parts list. The swing gate post was leaning towards the jeep to the point that I could not latch nor fully open it. I took it to a local mechanic and we threw a strap around the post and used a come-a-long to straighten it. Put the swing gate back on and it sags and rattles, it so bad I have taken off the swing gate and remounted the spare on its factory mount. The coupler on the swing gate is way too big for the post on the bumper. I can remove the swing gate without loosing the bolts after removing the snap ring.

Very unhappy with the product. Tried to deal with the seller (Truck and Winch) via eBay to get installation instructions with parts list to make sure I was not missing a bushing or sleeve or something that would prevent the swing gate from sagging and rattling so bad. They did not respond until I filed a case with eBay. Then they wanted to give me money to close the case. I wouldn't do it because I wanted it fixed. Ended up escalating the case to let eBay decide, and they sided with the seller. eBay said I had modified the product when I straightened out the post. They are full of **it, I made it workable.

I also had purchased the front bumper from Truck and Winch, and that I like - no issues. I was going to purchase their 9500 lbs winch but have decided not to do business with them again. Closed my eBay account as well. So much for their Buyer Protection policy - crap!

This was my experience, not everyones, just thought I'd share.

Maybe I am a little angry...just a tad........
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Oddly, My swing out was perfect. No issues at all. I also had all the hardware and nuts and bolts. I can see how everyone is losing their bolts though. The bag with bolts and instructions was hanging halfway out a hole in the box when UPS dropped it off. Truck and Winch could at least tape that stuff to the bumper itself. Also, I haven't had any trouble with my swing out tire carrier rattling. The instructions were a joke. I only got one sheet of paper showing how to align the template and there was nothing regarding the swing out.
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Maybe, I am missing something. How did you install - meaning first slide on seal (lack of better term), then coupler, then snap ring and fill with grease? Does your swing gate have any play as in can it slide up and down on the post after installed with snap ring in place? Mine does, I'd say about 1/2 inch. And I can rock mine back and forth on the post. If you don't mind, can you give me the diameter of your coupler?

Maybe the seal should go on between the coupler and the snap ring? I haven't tried that. It just seems I am missing another seal and that the coupler is just too big.

Thanks for any help you may be able to give.
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I actually almost went with this one but I was a little nervous picking it up off Ebay. It looks great but it sounds like more trouble than it's worth. I ended up with the Body Armor (also made in China) rear bumper with hitch and swing away carrier. Had it up and running in less than an hour.
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Cool thread. Was debating grabbing one of these carriers
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I actually almost went with this one but I was a little nervous picking it up off Ebay. It looks great but it sounds like more trouble than it's worth. I ended up with the Body Armor (also made in China) rear bumper with hitch and swing away carrier. Had it up and running in less than an hour.
How much for the body armor bumper?
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:16 PM   #12
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I have the front src classic that matches. Its a good bumper, it takes a hit well and has no smittybilt tubes that are well known to bend easily. I also have the same rear bumper as in the write up. It sucks. The bumper part is fine, other than the ridiculous mounting. The tire carrier holds a tire but other than that its a complete piece of crap. To keep it from wobbling you have to tighten it to the point that it is hard to open.
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I know this threads old but I ordered the rear tire carrier and bumper and it seems the co. has come a long way from what you guys describe. I'll b putting it on tm but here's how it came. Good packaging, 4 pages of directions! tho still pretty bad, and hardware was in another box.

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I'm pretty sure they sent the wrong tire carrier bc if u notice mine has a big silver handle like the jk bumper. But I looked and the receiver on the bumper looks like it's compatible. So unless they just haven't updated their site then I think it's a mess up but I'll take it, looks good.
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Good luck when you use their template tool. If it works perfectly I would be really impressed. As you get each bolt threaded into the bumper I'd leave them loose for wiggle room with the other bolts. Hopefully you won't have issues lining em up like I did! Good luck!
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Screw using templates. So many of them are copies of copies. Measure the locations you'll need yourself and mark up the rear cross member. Measure again, check your markings. Go Drink a beer. Measure again, check your markings. Sober up. Measure again, and finally drill. You're not hanging a picture or cutting 2x4. You're drilling into a structural component of your jeep, take your time and do it right. Also, I'd suggest frame tie ins... really will beef up your rear end.
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Screw using templates. So many of them are copies of copies. Measure the locations you'll need yourself and mark up the rear cross member. Measure again, check your markings. Go Drink a beer. Measure again, check your markings. Sober up. Measure again, and finally drill. You're not hanging a picture or cutting 2x4. You're drilling into a structural component of your jeep, take your time and do it right. Also, I'd suggest frame tie ins... really will beef up your rear end.
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Had to grind down hitch, didn't allow bumper to go flush with frame. Then drilled out driver side holes, didn't line up. Didn't have time drill other 4 holes and drop gas tank so gonna leave it as is for now. The 2 holes on the bottom of the frame aren't even close gonna have to drill those out too. As is tho its a good bumper for the price. Not sure about tire carrier yet gonna leave it off till I drill the rest of the holes. Order design frame tie ins also. For the price I don't mind putting in a lil work everything is solid and if it scuffs....throw on some more bed liner ha
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And no do not even bother with their template ha it's a joke
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All said the quality has been great. My rear bumper has been beat on and snatched pretty hard. The welds for the d-ring loops have to be pretty hard core too because I accidentally snatched the ever living crap out of one and it didn't budge or bend. My spare tire is heavy as hell and I don't get much rattle at all from the carrier...not that I could hear it over the d-rings clanking. And yes! I knocked the finish off one area and just sprayed it with the cheap lowes bed liner and it matched right up!! Hahaa. Post pics when you get her on. Bo
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Had to grind down hitch, didn't allow bumper to go flush with frame. Then drilled out driver side holes, didn't line up. Didn't have time drill other 4 holes and drop gas tank so gonna leave it as is for now. The 2 holes on the bottom of the frame aren't even close gonna have to drill those out too. As is tho its a good bumper for the price. Not sure about tire carrier yet gonna leave it off till I drill the rest of the holes. Order design frame tie ins also. For the price I don't mind putting in a lil work everything is solid and if it scuffs....throw on some more bed liner ha
So have you had a chance to complete this install? I have been reading all of the posts on this bumper because I was concidering one for my 93 YJ. I called truck and winch, they have upgraded the carrier latch but not the web site.
Any more information would be appreciated.
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Thanks for reviving this thread. I am looking at this bumper for my 97. Still undecided. Sounds okay but may be worth the extra money for a better product. I'll keep reading...
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Thanks for reviving this thread. I am looking at this bumper for my 97. Still undecided. Sounds okay but may be worth the extra money for a better product. I'll keep reading...
Keep saving your money for a quality product. I bought this bumper and I've only regretted it. It doesn't latch properly, it rattles, the finish is cheap and flakes off. For a couple hundred dollars more you will get your monies worth and and a American made product. Pure garbage.

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Keep saving your money for a quality product. I bought this bumper and I've only regretted it. It doesn't latch properly, it rattles, the finish is cheap and flakes off. For a couple hundred dollars more you will get your monies worth and and a American made product. Pure garbage.

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Thanks for the input Incajeep. I would still like to hear from some of the others in this post that have installed this bumper/carrier. The opinions swing wildly from love it to hate it.
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I have both the SRC front (stinger) and rear w/ tire carrier. Mainly got them to protect my Jeep from other drivers in south Florida. They have held up very well, I just nail them with a little black Krylon when they get scratched from stupid people driving near me. The tire carrier will rattle when traversing bumps, just maintain with WD-40 on all moving parts (like the rest of your Jeep) and it holds up fine. Bought mine with the intent that they are sacrificial until I go full Metal Cloak all around, plus I needed a hitch for towing light trailers.

Source: GF drove my TJ through/over a chain-link fence (only needed a fender and a radiator). SRC rear bumper used to pull trailers (using D-Rings) out of weird, tight, areas.

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