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Old 10-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #1
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Rock Hard bolt in sport cage

I've decided I want some extra piece of mind and chose this cage, and don't tell me to weld a cage in because I do not know how to weld and I don't want to pay for someone to do it haha
http://www.extremeterrain.com/rock-h...tj-rh1001.html
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:01 PM   #2
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I've decided I want some extra piece of mind and chose this cage, and don't tell me to weld a cage in because I do not know how to weld and I don't want to pay for someone to do it haha
Rock Hard 4x4 Parts Ultimate Sport Cage RH1001 (97-06 Wrangler TJ) - Free Shipping RH1001 - Free Shipping over $75!
Does anyone have this cage?
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I would say that if you are looking for an expensive false sense of security while maintaining your roll bar's "one and done" status, it would be a great pick up for ya!

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Looks like a waste of over $600 to me. Not sure what added protection that is going to offer?
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It's better than nothing....but not by a whole lot.

if you're going to put a front cage in, make sure you replace the windshield support bars and put some sort of A-pillar at least attaching those to the firewall and/or floor.
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The bolt-in cages will definitely give you more protection than the stock cage. Nothing will be stronger than a well built weld-in cage with frame tie-ins, but they can get expensive. If you decide to go with the Rock Hard cage and you have any other questions, feel free to reach out me any time.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:06 PM   #6
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The bolt-in cages will definitely give you more protection than the stock cage. Nothing will be stronger than a well built weld-in cage with frame tie-ins, but they can get expensive. If you decide to go with the Rock Hard cage and you have any other questions, feel free to reach out me any time.
So where for example does a bolt in cage like the rock hard give more protection? It doesn't address any of the real weaknesses of the stock cage. You roll it, its still and one and done scenario.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:28 PM   #7
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Lots of good info on cages here.
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TBT Sports Bar Rollover

And this is the video of the rollover with bolt on cage
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So where for example does a bolt in cage like the rock hard give more protection? It doesn't address any of the real weaknesses of the stock cage. You roll it, its still and one and done scenario.
So you would rather ride stock than any extra help? Can you honestly say the RH cage add ZERO protection? I went through this on JF. Yes I will agree 100% that a full DOM cage with frame mounted tie in is stronger than a plated cage. But I will also say that even a plated cage is better than stock. If the cage works one time and save me and my family then it did its job.
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So you would rather ride stock than any extra help? Can you honestly say the RH cage add ZERO protection? I went through this on JF. Yes I will agree 100% that a full DOM cage with frame mounted tie in is stronger than a plated cage. But I will also say that even a plated cage is better than stock. If the cage works one time and save me and my family then it did its job.
The problem is ive seen bolt on units like this add absolutely no added or extra protection. There are a number of pics posted on this specific kit gettimg completely flattened from a roll over......was no better than stock. Im not againt bolt on........but this one lacks in key areas.
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NJO, so you're just against the RH kit? OK that I can accept.
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You roll it, its still and one and done scenario.
So what? If I roll my Jeep, the whole Jeep itself is done. I just want to be able to survive the accident. Not talking flops to the side here.

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The problem is ive seen bolt on units like this add absolutely no added or extra protection. There are a number of pics posted on this specific kit gettimg completely flattened from a roll over......was no better than stock. Im not againt bolt on........but this one lacks in key areas.
Rockhard cage vs. endover




Notice the hood is trashed and the whole tub is deformed. The windshield bars are useless, but the center rockhard parts sort of kept the passenger compartment together.

it did better than a stock rig, which had complete passenger compartment intrusion by a collapsing windshield frame.


here's a stanchion style weld in cage (appears to be PSC w/ DOM windshield bars), rolled behind a motorhome at highway speed. passenger compartment is still intact....


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NJO, so you're just against the RH kit? OK that I can accept.
The pics above show one reason why. A roll over does not need to be a one and done. Does not have to be a total out of the vehicle. There are about 2 or 3 vids on youtube/JF that show why the RH kit doesn't pan out well.

Even with all the add on bar options, it fails to brace the roll cage in the weakest area. It braces the top horizontal plane just fine. But none of the pillars get braced vertically or in the cross sections. That's my big gripe.
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oops bad link above, fixed:



stock roll bar, windshield collapses into the drivers compartment....
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The windshield collapse into the compartment either way with that bolt on setup. Kind of proves my point. All for safety......but I think the OP should just find someone with welding skills to upgrade his. Or learn how to weld, which isn't very hard to do.
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The windshield collapse into the compartment either way with that bolt on setup.
its better than nothing....



at least the windshield isn't folded over the steering wheel in your lap....but the windshield support bars suck, as should be obvious in the above picture.

OP, also check out the OR-Fab front cage...which replaces the windshield support bars.

All that said, I'd still suggest sticking with a weld-in cage, with plenty of rear support & gussets.
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If your going to go to that kind of time, trouble or money etc......why not grab yourself a GENRIGHT or Poly Performance kit.....take the money saved.....and then use it to hire someone to weld it together for ya. Poly Performance JEEP/TRUCK & BUGGY*::*Cage & Cage Accessories*::*Synergy Jeep LJ/TJ Cage Kit - 4X4 Off-Road Parts

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Do it up nicely, you can even retain the factory fit and finish and functionality.
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Another to consider is the blue torch fab cage. Good stuff! Weld yourself but it only cost around 250 iirc.
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I obviously can't work the WF app.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:32 AM   #20
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Cage

I have the cage. I have it because it because the P.O. installed it. I like it, especially the grab handles. Not sure how much extra protection it gives. Don't want to find out (whether I had it or not)!
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I purchased the complete Rock Hard kit about four years a go and i can tell you it is a first class Bolt in Cage system, i purchased it direct from RH while in Moab and spent a lot of time talking to the owners, i ordered the kit with the two center braces un attached so that i could install my CB between the two bars, this option cost a little more, the kit will take all day to install, tons of nuts and bolts to tighten, loosen and re tight to get it just right, i think it's a great LOW speed roll over protection at high speeds this thing will probably beat you to death as is with any other FRONT roll cage system.
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I have the RH bolt-in, installed it in August.



It does not come with windshield-to-main-hoop bars, it uses the stock bars.
RH's position on this is that they are intended as a "crumple zone" to absorb and deflect impact.

IMHO, I don't want a crumple zone next to my head.

I like everything about the RH except this.

I'm going to replace these thin stock side bars with a set from Poison Spider; they are compatible with the RH kit and the stock mounting locations and door surrounds.
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For what the rock hard bolt in kit costs you can buy a weld in kit from PSC or Blue torch fab and pay someone to weld it up for you.
My Blue torch fab kit was only $250
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Im sure somebody will disagree with this, but if you do a weld in cage please use a 220V welder. I have a 110V welder and have made welds that look excellent. But i wouldnt want to hang my life on them. The heat penetration from a 220V welder is WAY better. I am another person voting to just have a reputable shop install a weld in kit. That bolt on cage might help "some" in a roll. But if saftey is your concern (not looks). This is one of those powerchips/CAI's Vs. regear topics.
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Im sure somebody will disagree with this, but if you do a weld in cage please use a 220V welder. I have a 110V welder and have made welds that look excellent. But i wouldnt want to hang my life on them. The heat penetration from a 220V welder is WAY better. I am another person voting to just have a reputable shop install a weld in kit. That bolt on cage might help "some" in a roll. But if saftey is your concern (not looks). This is one of those powerchips/CAI's Vs. regear topics.
Well said.

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