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Old 11-30-2012, 09:15 PM   #31
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if I built a cage it would have header bars. it might have more cross supports even. the point is you need to let it go man. if i sold a kit for this, like I said it would be at least as strong as the tj cage. yes, the back seat is more vulnerable, but the primary market would probably be those of us who don't use one anyway. I could in theory make it somehow inhibit the use of a factory back seat all together, if thats what it took. im not saying ill have it ready tomorrow, or even next month. but its something to look into. thats all. there are 2 other people on here who are interested in it, maybe there are others. it IS possible. it CAN be done. im GOING to try. and maybe ill find its not good enough, but I wont sell it until I know for sure it is. let it go man you need a chill pill.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:26 PM   #32
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if I built a cage it would have header bars. it might have more cross supports even. the point is you need to let it go man. if i sold a kit for this, like I said it would be at least as strong as the tj cage. yes, the back seat is more vulnerable, but the primary market would probably be those of us who don't use one anyway. I could in theory make it somehow inhibit the use of a factory back seat all together, if thats what it took. im not saying ill have it ready tomorrow, or even next month. but its something to look into. thats all. there are 2 other people on here who are interested in it, maybe there are others. it IS possible. it CAN be done. im GOING to try. and maybe ill find its not good enough, but I wont sell it until I know for sure it is. let it go man you need a chill pill.
Just because I'm trying to have a technical discussion means I need a chill pill? I guess being blunt means I need to chill, but I just call it how I see it. I'm giving you advice on what not to do, and I just wanted to know how you planned on accomplishing this. I never said It couldn't be done, It can be done pretty easily for someone with the knowledge. I just said you don't sound like you know what you are doing. I would ask what cross braces you intend to add, what material you plan to use, what bender you have, and what size welder you have, but it appears you don't really know how you plan to go about this.

You could always prove me wrong though, and I wouldn't mind admitting it. I just don't understand why people feel so attacked and hurt when I call it how I see it. There is a lot more to a cage than just bending up some tubing, burning it in and calling it good.

BTW, no one is forcing you to reply to me, If you or anyone else thinks I'm an ass then just ignore me.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:35 PM   #33
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Just because I'm trying to have a technical discussion means I need a chill pill? I guess being blunt means I need to chill, but I just call it how I see it. I'm giving you advice on what not to do, and I just wanted to know how you planned on accomplishing this. I never said It couldn't be done, It can be done pretty easily for someone with the knowledge. I just said you don't sound like you know what you are doing. I would ask what cross braces you intend to add, what material you plan to use, what bender you have, and what size welder you have, but it appears you don't really know how you plan to go about this.

You could always prove me wrong though, and I wouldn't mind admitting it. I just don't understand why people feel so attacked and hurt when I call it how I see it.
how about that I have an associates degree in metals fabrication from Montana tech, rated by the prinston review as the #3 school in the Western half of the country at the time of my graduation in 2010. I work in a foundry with a full state of the art aerospace grade pipe and tube bending wing, as well as an aerospace certified weld fabrication division. I myself am AWS certified. and have built many roll bars and cages before. I have the ability to get it started. as far as how I want to plan it out, I don't know yet ill have to go look and measure and start drawing up some ideas.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:36 PM   #34
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Works for me !!!!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:40 PM   #35
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how about that I have an associates degree in metals fabrication from Montana tech, rated by the prinston review as the #3 school in the Western half of the country at the time of my graduation in 2010. I work in a foundry with a full state of the art aerospace grade pipe and tube bending wing, as well as an aerospace certified weld fabrication division. I myself am AWS certified. and have built many roll bars and cages before. I have the ability to get it started. as far as how I want to plan it out, I don't know yet ill have to go look and measure and start drawing up some ideas.
Ok so you can weld I will give you that. What vehicles did you build cages for before? Did you design them or just burn them in? Pictures?
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:41 PM   #36
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one for a suburban, one for a Toyota of my friends, one for a Ford f250 we have in my search and rescue group. if you want pics ill give you pics when I can get them, but honestly the 2 who were interested don't seem to care that much so why should I just to impress a nay sayer?
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And I do care about safety but I feel that for the most part on this forum..... Someo e who doesn't have a clue about welding or fabing isn't gonna spout on about building or selling a potential kit.... Now I can weld. I can measure. But I can by no means fab tithe extent of building a cage of this nature! Let alone to think of producing. I might try it for my own use but that's it. And even that's pushing it!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:59 PM   #39
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one for a suburban, one for a Toyota of my friends, one for a Ford f250 we have in my search and rescue group. if you want pics ill give you pics when I can get them, but honestly the 2 who were interested don't seem to care that much so why should I just to impress a nay sayer?
I'm not looking to be impressed. I'm just interested in seeing if you can design a cage as good as you say is all. Any monkey can weld, you actually have to know what you are doing when it comes to designing the cage. I've seen lots of cages that just look good, and that's about it.

It's pretty obvious you have a pissy attitude just because I want to know about this cage you are building. Heck, you didn't even answer the question about the type of material you planned on using, you just babbled about how you are a master fabricator. I think its time for some thicker skin bud. I'll just leave now since apparently you don't like to talk about your roll cage design and just call me a naysayer when I legitimately want to know your knowledge of building real cages. Let me know when you finish it so I can critique it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:11 AM   #40
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Why not just cut off the back part of the stock cage and weld in two angled down bars to look like the old cj style cage??? That way you have the stock windshield supports, door surrounds work, and you have the soft top mounting location.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:18 AM   #41
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You spelled Princeton wrong. I'm selling a kit like you guys are talking about that bolts right up its made of pvc but stronger than the Tj stock cage, I know what I'm talking about I'm in college
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:23 AM   #42
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I really like the look of the cage on the TJ in the Tomb Raider movie.

It has fabbed windshield supports but would still look great with the stock windshield supports.

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Old 12-29-2012, 10:29 PM   #43
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Ok, I don't know how I found this, BUT

I love that idea. I've always loved the way the CJ roll cage looks.

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