Why would you want to put yourself in danger by putting a crappier rollcage? The stock TJ cage kinda sucks, but at least it's better than the old CJ style ones. Most people go the other way and add more reinforcement/ triangulation. I honestly doubt it's a bolt in deal if you really wanted to do it.
You would also have to make tab for your soft top as the CJ one's probably wouldn't work, and also add seat belt bracket's because if i remember right CJ's only had lap belts.
Now that I think about it rollbars on the CJ's didn't attach to the windshield like our TJ's do, so you couldn't run a windshield.
how about cuz it looks better, I can put lap belts in, and half the time I don't have a back seat in anyways. the old sport bar did just fine to protect the driver and passenger. and well, enough people survived back then to raise my generation, so its gotta be safe enough.
You don't need the windshield tie-ins, many people run aftermarket cages without them and only rely on the bolts on the sides of the hinges. They'll do the job perfectly fine.
I'll start looking into whether they'll allow you to legally sell one. dawn safety and health people have their teeth into everything. if it is, maybe ill make a conversion kit to sell commercially.
I'll start looking into whether they'll allow you to legally sell one. dawn safety and health people have their teeth into everything. if it is, maybe ill make a conversion kit to sell commercially.
you can make a custom cage that looks better/ actually would serve a purpose, people that convert to half cabs often do it. Why go through the work of putting more dangerous cage instead of building a legit one? Thats like putting chrome tube bumpers on a jeep looks like crap and functions like crap...
Im not saying what id make would be exactly like a tj or yj roll bar, just look like one, what you've got in your picks nice, but it could look more classic if you ask me.
I'd buy one. I dont wheel hard enough to roll my jeep. And I drive like an old lady so I deff won't roll it on the street! As long as it bolts in and the seat belts bolt up I'll be good!!!
You clearly don't get it. There is no way in hell you are going to make a CJ style cage (which is what this thread was about) with no windshield header bars stronger than a factory TJ cage.
Do you understand what liability is? If people go take off their own cage then that it their problem. There is no one they can sue or blame but themselves. If you market shitty roll cages and build them for people that is a huge liability. You can go build your own cage which is fine, but don't offer a service to make other peoples cages weaker. That is just plain stupid. Believe it or not, I'm actually being a nice guy and giving you VERY good advice here.
if I built a cage it would have header bars. it might have more cross supports even. the point is you need to let it go man. if i sold a kit for this, like I said it would be at least as strong as the tj cage. yes, the back seat is more vulnerable, but the primary market would probably be those of us who don't use one anyway. I could in theory make it somehow inhibit the use of a factory back seat all together, if thats what it took. im not saying ill have it ready tomorrow, or even next month. but its something to look into. thats all. there are 2 other people on here who are interested in it, maybe there are others. it IS possible. it CAN be done. im GOING to try. and maybe ill find its not good enough, but I wont sell it until I know for sure it is. let it go man you need a chill pill.
Just because I'm trying to have a technical discussion means I need a chill pill? I guess being blunt means I need to chill, but I just call it how I see it. I'm giving you advice on what not to do, and I just wanted to know how you planned on accomplishing this. I never said It couldn't be done, It can be done pretty easily for someone with the knowledge. I just said you don't sound like you know what you are doing. I would ask what cross braces you intend to add, what material you plan to use, what bender you have, and what size welder you have, but it appears you don't really know how you plan to go about this.
You could always prove me wrong though, and I wouldn't mind admitting it. I just don't understand why people feel so attacked and hurt when I call it how I see it. There is a lot more to a cage than just bending up some tubing, burning it in and calling it good.
BTW, no one is forcing you to reply to me, If you or anyone else thinks I'm an ass then just ignore me.
one for a suburban, one for a Toyota of my friends, one for a Ford f250 we have in my search and rescue group. if you want pics ill give you pics when I can get them, but honestly the 2 who were interested don't seem to care that much so why should I just to impress a nay sayer?
I'm not looking to be impressed. I'm just interested in seeing if you can design a cage as good as you say is all. Any monkey can weld, you actually have to know what you are doing when it comes to designing the cage. I've seen lots of cages that just look good, and that's about it.
It's pretty obvious you have a pissy attitude just because I want to know about this cage you are building. Heck, you didn't even answer the question about the type of material you planned on using, you just babbled about how you are a master fabricator. I think its time for some thicker skin bud. I'll just leave now since apparently you don't like to talk about your roll cage design and just call me a naysayer when I legitimately want to know your knowledge of building real cages. Let me know when you finish it so I can critique it.
And I do care about safety but I feel that for the most part on this forum..... Someo e who doesn't have a clue about welding or fabing isn't gonna spout on about building or selling a potential kit.... Now I can weld. I can measure. But I can by no means fab tithe extent of building a cage of this nature! Let alone to think of producing. I might try it for my own use but that's it. And even that's pushing it!!
Why not just cut off the back part of the stock cage and weld in two angled down bars to look like the old cj style cage??? That way you have the stock windshield supports, door surrounds work, and you have the soft top mounting location.
You spelled Princeton wrong. I'm selling a kit like you guys are talking about that bolts right up its made of pvc but stronger than the Tj stock cage, I know what I'm talking about I'm in college
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