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Old 08-18-2010, 07:46 AM   #1
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Rotella oil

I've been advised to use Rotella T oil in my jeep. I have heard of its good rep as a cleaning type oil. My jeep had pretty high miles on it when I bought it and the previous owner put an array of 10W30 oil in it through the years and while I was inspecting the valves I noticed a lot of grime on the inside of the cover. Ok to my question, will the cleaning power of Rotella spring a leak in my jeep. I've always heard that a synthetic would. I know that Rotella T isn't a synthetic I'm still a little nervous using it. My jeep amazingly is leak free and I'd hate to start one.

Also another question, what part number in WIX or NAPA Gold that is the bigger oil filter that can be used in a 97 4.0?

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When I got mine at 120000 miles she was leak free, switched to the Rotella at the first oil change. 140000 now still leak free. I used the 15/40 for most of that time but after some research decided against using that thick an oil and now I run the Rotella T5 in 10/30 it's a blend but still no issues. No lifter rattle oil pressure is fine all is good. And the Rotellas are one of the few that still have higher levels of zinc in them.

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Rotella sounds like a good choice. They mention better flowability during cold temperatures, wonder what they add different to accomplish that considering it's not a synthetic.
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Features/Benefits
• Exceeds requirements of today’s high-performance, low-emission diesel and gasoline engines while providing excellent performance in older engines allowing operator use of one oil for many engines
• Product is warranted against defect and meets virtually all US and European equipment manufacturer’s warranty requirements minimizing operators risk
• Outstanding protection against engine wear due to soot - helps extend engine life
• Exceptional protection and durability demonstrated in control of valve train wear - maximizes engine life
• Unique additive chemistry minimizes viscosity loss due to shear and viscosity thickening due to soot – this helps the oil stay in grade for better engine operation
• Exceptional low-temperature flow properties helps speed cold starts
• Reduced fuel consumption compared to single-grade oils can help lower operating costs
• Improved deposit and oil consumption control, and better oxidation stability -- for the operator this could mean lower oil cost and extended overhaul life expectancy and increased flexibility
Leaks: If you have leaks already, a more flowable oil, like a synthetic, may leak more. You should be okay.
Cleaning the engine: If you are anticipating the engine is somewhat dirty and will be cleaned heavily by the new oil, then you might want to consider an oil / filter change at 2000 miles, then 3000 miles for the first couple of oil changes. Mobil 1 recommends this "here" when when changing to synthetic. You will find that site interesting and this one (tests on Major brands) interesting as well.
Filters: The Ford FL-1A filter is economical (at Wal-Mart in US), used by many (not me per say), is large sized, and made by Purolator (string attached to cartridge is the sign). The Mopar equivalent to that filter is also the same size although not listed for your Jeep. I use that Mopar filter. It's 5" long versus 3.5" standard, 3.5"+ diameter. For a more premium filter I would go to a Fram Tough Guard 8A high efficiency filter with silicone (orange) versus nitrile (black) anti drainback valve.
Oil choice: As for oil choice, I would consider the following:
- run diesel motor oil for 500 miles and then change oil and filter. Motor oils for diesel engines are high in detergents. Perhaps your Rotella will do the equivalent.
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- run synthetic oil for 1000 miles and then change oil and filter. (You may want to cut your filter apart to see what it looks like inside, lay out the filter media and test for metals with a magnet. That should give you some degree of comfort with your engine. Alternately get an oil analysis done.)
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- just run a major brand 10W-30 oil (whatever is on sale is my decision maker) meeting API SM standard and Chrysler MS6395 standard plus an oversize filter and not worry, be happy.

In the US, the Mopar filters are made by Purolator and in Canada by Wix. Both have the bypass valve at the base (versus the cap) which I like. I'm attaching a picture of a Fram TG-8A which I cut apart.
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Rotella used to have the zinc but have since done away with it just like everyone else. The only oil that has more than any other is the Joe Gibbs oil, but I dont think you would wanna run it all the time. I've been running Valvoline for years with no issues and the insides are clean as a pin.
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Rotella used to have the zinc but have since done away with it just like everyone else. The only oil that has more than any other is the Joe Gibbs oil, but I dont think you would wanna run it all the time. I've been running Valvoline for years with no issues and the insides are clean as a pin.
AMSOIL may have more zinc in it than allowed for in the API SM Specification. Here's an article on that.
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yeah I read that too and my machine shop buddy sells it and the joe gibbs...its just so expensive for a dd
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I'll just stick with Valvoline dino oil, thank you very much.

P.S. Higher zinc levels like oils used to have and catalytic converters are not a good mix... which is why the zinc content of motor oil was reduced in the first place.
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catalytic converter? Isn't that those things that bring big bux hehe...never run one, never will
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I'll just stick with Valvoline dino oil, thank you very much.
Yes, my stash usually includes conventional Valvoline, Quaker State, Castrol or Pennzoil bought when on sale. Right now its a case (4 - 5L jugs) of Quaker State 10W-30.
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catalytic converter? Isn't that those things that bring big bux hehe...never run one, never will
Exactly what vehicle do you drive and where do you live?
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:17 PM   #11
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No wonder. Not a TJ in the bunch which come with catalytic converters which don't get along with high zinc levels. By the way, your 2002 JGC is a WJ, not a ZJ.
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yeah I mistyped...its a POS anyway...wish I could burn it

I'm not a TJ guy...too rough in the woods for airbags lol....Dad has as rubi though, but its catless too
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yeah I mistyped...its a POS anyway...wish I could burn it

I'm not a TJ guy...too rough in the woods for airbags...
Wanna take whatever you got and try to keep up with me where I wheel my TJ with its airbags and catalytic converters?
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Old 08-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #15
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I'm game...not sure you will like what I bring to the party though
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oh internet bench racing. its so impressive. I can't say that I'd challenge Jerry, but maybe you should. If you decide to make it real please make a video.

anywho


I run Rotella's synthetic in my Lotus. is it T6? can't remember. but it has more zinc than most oils. and the Lotus likes Zinc (the cam shafts like to go flat so any protection is good to me)
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It does have more zinc the T6 is the full synth, somewhere deep in the shell pages it states that their new t5 blend has like 1200 some ppm of zinc, close to the highest you can have and still carry the SM rating. The non diesel stuff is around 8-900 from most of the big guys. I saw a test done somewhere, random sample kind of stuff on a bunch of different 5/30's and they all ran from 7-900 of zinc.
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They have flat tappet cams? I woulda never thought that. I had two cams go flat bout 5 years ago on two different big blocks. That's right when everyone figured out the oil had changed. Since then I use roller cams exclusively.

And as far as Jerry's challenge? It would take alot more than an off the shelf parts TJ to scare this big ole boy lol. If he wasn't so far away I'd tell um to come on down and we'd play follow the leader lol
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Its a rare breed these days, but yup. Strangely its a Toyota engine (sourced from Yamaha). which makes it helpful in obtaining parts...and makes it not need parts nearly as often as most of their engine's.
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Here's a vid of the one I built before my current
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Hell I thought Lotus made their own engines....didn't they make the first ZR1 engine in the vette?
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something is wrong with the headlights. Looks like the Jeep is squinting.
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Here's a vid of the one I built before my current


That'll work........
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something is wrong with the headlights. Looks like the Jeep is squinting.
He's just really concentrating hehe

I decided after that rig that I wouldn't cut up another good jeep for a toy...parts are worth way too much lol....I built a truggy this time
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He's just really concentrating hehe

I decided after that rig that I wouldn't cut up another good jeep for a toy...parts are worth way too much lol....I built a truggy this time
in your avatar I take it?

got any more pics of it? that's looks like a nice flex'r
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Umm yeah that's her...project no bucks lol....I'll see what I can dig up, I didnt' take alot of pics when I was building it since I had a time frame of 5 months start to finish. I actually had to slow it down a bit on the front from flexing too much. I think I have it set where the rear will go up 57 inches and the front 48 before it will lift another tire.
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Here's a vid of the one I built before my current
Not a bad rig but come on down to do Johnson Valley where we don't have to dump rocks onto a dirt lot and build stuff to wheel on. There's a world of difference between wheeling on something someone created by dumping rocks on a dirt lot and the world-class trails like Sledgehammer in JV.
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From what I have seen so far on here is that you always have a better story, better this, better that....we call you all one uppers down here. Just because you have seen one video you automatically know what the terrain is here? Maybe you should do a little more research before typing...I would be willing to bet the title to any of my rigs that you wouldn't have the sack to try that tube
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Whatever you say. And you started your little pissing contest with your "I'm not a TJ guy...too rough in the woods for airbags..." in the TJ forum so don't just expect everyone to let that slide.

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