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Old 11-26-2008, 09:18 AM   #31
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X2 but I will stick up for Pro Comp on their tires. I had a set of mud terrains and they were some of the best tires I have owned. They wore really well for mud terrains and always got me home so as far as tires, they did somethin right. But their lifts are overpriced junk imo.

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Old 11-26-2008, 02:32 PM   #32
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...I will stick up for Pro Comp on their tires.
ProComp coils for the SWB TJ, are decent coils.

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thats why i went with Rubicon Express. Im about to go on year number 3 and the only thing i have replaved on my lift is the trach bar bushing at the axle end. rides great, no sag, flexes really well for a short arm kit.
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Watch what you say about RC lifts... i said that they ride exactly as advertised "ROUGH" and then i got this in my PM box.... i guess they get a lil pissy


I have sold many Rough Country lifts for the TJ's and I have yet had anyone complain about them rides "ROUGH".

KellyK... you should come by sometime and check out just how cool and complete these Rough Country kits are. That way when you give your opinion it will be an educated one.
UGH! You should tell the WHOLE story kellyk - You are only posting part of the PM conversation.

For the record I am not employed by RC. I am a RC dealer (as well as Superlift, ProComp, Trail-Gear, Rancho, etc.) and I have sold several hundred thousand dollars worth of RC products. Most of them Jeep lifts.

I have yet to have anyone complain to me about their Rough Country lift kit riding "ROUGH"

I personally own several off road and street vehicles. As an off road store owner I can pretty much put what ever product I want on my vehicles. All my vehicles (except my wife's Honda Pilot and our motor homes) have Rough Country springs and/or shocks.

My 1967 FJ40 Land Cruiser is setup for hard core off road use and I LOVE the Rough Country HYDRO 8000 shocks that I installed on it a few years ago.

The family wheeling wagon (1988 Jeep XJ) has ALL Rough Country on it! 4.5" RC lift, RC adjustable track bar, RC sway bar disco's, RC diff covers, RC brake lines, RC rock sliders, etc. Essentially: All Rough Country products.

We install many lift kits as well in my 6000 square foot shop... and we swap out and replace more "soft ride" and "EZ ride" lifts than any others beside stock.

We used to have so many "soft ride" and "EZ ride" used springs laying around that we recently gave them away to the scrap metal guy.
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No trick photography... this is the real picture.

Notice the shocks?

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UGH! You should tell the WHOLE story kellyk - You are only posting part of the PM conversation
I'm sorry that i left part of it out. (your location)

This better? And my opinion was based on a couple months of reading about different peoples lifts and how they felt about them.
The majority of people that have bought RC were unhappy with their lift. Saying it was "ROUGH"
And as you can see. there are ALOT of posts saying the same thing. I would be more then willing to try one of their lifts out. But there is no way im going to spend that kind of money on something that the majority says is a dissapointment.
If someone wants to send me a set of springs and shocks i will try them out and if they are not rough i will retract my statement. But untill then im going to stand by my research and statement.

"I have sold many Rough Country lifts for the TJ's and I have yet had anyone complain about them riding "ROUGH".

KellyK... since you are close to me, you should come by sometime and check out just how cool and complete these Rough Country kits are. That way when you give your opinion it will be an educated one.

I'm in the Ellensburg WA area and I sell more Rough Country lifts than anyone else in the whole PNW."
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kellyk: You stated your opinion based on what you read online. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't. Like you stated in a previous post... it's still a free country so feel free to post any opinion you want.

As a local (to you) RC dealer: I PM'd you with an offer to come check out the Rough Country suspensions in person since we are close to each other. I offered this to you so you could continue your research beyond just what you've read online.

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I would love to check them out. I made sure to include that i had only been on the forums for a short time so that it was known that i have litte time with all the jeep parts.
I have a friend with a 04 rubi that has a 4" RC lift and he loves it. I wasnt trying to bad mouth RC.
More trying to decode oranges comments for the guy asking the question.
I was very professional in all my PM's to you and never did I say anything about your opinion. I was trying to help you, a local (to me) fellow wheeler.

For the record I don't email or PM people because of an opinion. The PM I sent to kellyk was an offer to help a local guy learn more about a product he was already researching.

Shame on me for trying to help out.
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No trick photography... this is the real picture.

Notice the shocks?

Why's it stopped?
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i've got the RC 4" kit and LOVE it! it rides great on and off road.

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skyjacker was discussed above and i would also like to state that they are junk.....the springs are known for sagging......my buddys tj on the 8" kit sat lower at the bumper than my tj on a rubi 5.5" kit.....both the same age and mine gets more use.....i would also like to state that the rough country kits are pretty incomplete at least when we stopped purchasing them a a few years ago they were....one of my buddies purchased a 4" lift that came with front lower control arms.......no rears...no tcase drop....no brake lines....and the shocks boiled first trip out......the springs may be decent riding but he got a front end sag after about 3 months and 3 trips of wheeling.....this is only from my experience and if you are having good luck with rough country then good.
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i got the Series II kit and it came with springs, shocks, all 4 lower control arms, t-case drop, and t-case shifter linkage drop. i added brake lines and a front diff cover to it separately.
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No trick photography... this is the real picture.

Notice the shocks?

Where's the flex?
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I wasnt upset that you had pm'ed me about coming to view the lift. The only thing that i found to be insulting is when you said.

The next time i post my opinion it will be an educated one.

There is nothing at all wrong with offering to show someone something or help someone with something but if you sell that item and make your living doing that. I highly doubt your going to get a good recation from someone with that comment included in your statement.
I worked in retail before and saying something like that makes the customer think that you feel they are dumb. That may not be the intent of the comment but thats the normal reaction.

RC may be a great product that got a bad name from previous years. I dont know. And i didnt say anything to bad mouth RC. I simply said they ride "rough"
and there isnt anything wrong with you or anyone else disagreeing with me on that.

I am sorry that i have been looking into buying a lift and was considering RC so i was doing my home work and found that the mojority finds it to be a rough ride.
About 75% of the people posting about the RC products in the past say they dislike them.
I will make sure to have an educated opinion next time i post one.

But rather then drag this childish thing out. Lets end it here.
I am willing to learn more about RC products and maybe even buy.
I hope to do buisness with you in the future to help support local 4wd shops.
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Where's the flex?
Here's a shot of my FJ40 in front of my shop. I had just put the new RC shocks on with new 36" Swampers. Early 2006 before I painted it orange.

I'll look for a non-poser shot and post it ASAP.

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But rather then drag this childish thing out. Lets end it here.
I am willing to learn more about RC products and maybe even buy.
I hope to do buisness with you in the future to help support local 4wd shops.
I agree.

Let me know if/when you would like to check out the RC stuff and I may even make a trip to you with it as I plan to do some wheeling in Ione and Idaho in the near future.
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Where's the flex?
On the trail Memorial Day Weekend 2006:

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Old 12-04-2008, 05:27 PM   #47
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I must say, I have a RC lift and would never recommend one to anyone. JMHO
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Ron, I've been a Jeep person all my life and really enjoy the old flat fenders and the history they drag with them. I was even upset when they discontinued the CJ-7 in favor of the Wrangler. But my good friend had a 1977 FJ40...and I have to say it is a worthy ride....they truely are indestructable. But my love for Jeeps and their American heritage has kept me loyal to them. In short, that's an awsome wheeler you have there.
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i like how all of those are non TJ "flexes"

My rough country kit sucks at flexing (i blame the way too hard springs)

Now according to my logic and please let me know if i am wrong but when you have a 25" long spring, it should be easier for it to compress let say 10" vs a 20" spring compressing it 10". Am i correct? Now if the rough country springs are made correct ratings, they should be a bit taller and when you put the rigs weight on there, it should go down a bit. Well my rig flexed better stock than it does w/ the rc kit.

This is completely stock WITH THE TRACK BARS CONNECTED



After i installed the RC kit, i could not get up that rock no matter how hard i tried (stock tires). Now a taller spring should flex the same distance easier which proves my point that RC springs suck at flexing because they are too hard.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:13 PM   #50
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Has RC recently redesigned their lifts or gone to a different manufacturing plant?
I ask because there are alot of people saying they dont like the lift they got a couple years back or even a year back. But then you have people jumping in saying they love theirs.
Is it old style vs new style or is it that after installing given time they go bad fast?...
Just trying to figure out why the reactions include. too stiff or major sagging.
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From what an RC rep said on another forum, they re-valved their shocks so they weren't so stiff.
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Is it old style vs new style or is it that after installing given time they go bad fast?...
Just trying to figure out why the reactions include. too stiff or major sagging.
well the springs sagged, the shocks were rough from the start.. with time they only got rustier but ride was still same *cough* crappy *cough*.

Now i sure hope the new stuff is better however i do not have experience w/ that, i only have the old ones and my comments on them stand unchanged, dealer or no dealer on the forum.
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Ron, I've been a Jeep person all my life and really enjoy the old flat fenders and the history they drag with them. I was even upset when they discontinued the CJ-7 in favor of the Wrangler. But my good friend had a 1977 FJ40...and I have to say it is a worthy ride....they truely are indestructable. But my love for Jeeps and their American heritage has kept me loyal to them. In short, that's an awsome wheeler you have there.
I love the old school flat fenders as well. I would have been a Jeep guy myself but I'm 6' 4" and when I was looking at buying a 4X4 back in the day I couldn't get in and out of the flatties or CJ5's without hanging upside down from the roll bar. The CJ7's were very cool but at the time they were way out of my price range. I found the 1967 Land Cruiser in the pics above and I thought it looked cool like the CJ7 and since I could get my big butt in and out easy enough I bought it. That was before the FJ40's became expensive to buy.

I do own a 1988 Jeep XJ. It's getting the full work over right now with just about new or rebuilt everything.
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i like how all of those are non TJ "flexes"
Good point but I posted up that I use RC on my personal rigs and since I don't own a TJ I posted what I do have.

I'll look for some TJ flex pics that I know for sure are running the RC lifts and post them up.

I've got several flex pics of XJ's with RC lifts if anyone wants to see them?
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I'll look for some TJ flex pics that I know for sure are running the RC lifts and post them up.
These were taken from the RC site and are not one of mine nor is it a customer of mine:





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My 2 cents.

I don't own an RC lift or any lift for that matter. I want to buy a lift so I have been reading a lot about lifts and suspension systems. Overall, having read probably a dozen threads and probably over 100 posts about RC lifts I think they fall into two categories.

1) I just bought an RC lift and it is the bomb, it flexes great and rides super smooth.

2) I had an RC lift and it sagged and rode hard.

Based on what I have read I am starting to think RC is using different springs and shocks than they did a year or so ago. It would be nice to know for sure but in the end, even if they are using new, different, and better stuff it is going to be difficult for them to shed the old opinions.
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It could be:
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1) I just bought an RC lift and it is the bomb, it flexes great and rides super smooth.
or........ I never owned a jeep before and don't know how much better it could be.

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2) I had an RC lift and it sagged and rode hard.
After having this kit for while and riding in other peoples jeeps I realize its a piece of crap.


Its is NOT just the shocks, its springs, control arms and track bar relocation brackets. Its all crap. I wore the bushings out of the control arms in 6 months and it didn't happen until I bought sway bar disconnects so it was actually less than 6 months of very moderate wheeling. I used to defend the purchase/quality of my kit also, but after a while you get tired of it and realize you have to do something about it.
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since I don't own a TJ I posted what I do have.
in other words you dont know how rc kits ride on a DD TJ?
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All I will say about this is that RC was the entry level fix for a much larger expectation. That is why I built up the YJ. And for what it is worth, our Rubicon still has the 4" rubicon lift on it, with 33" tires, and has over 70k miles on it. I would still take the Rubicon to Colorado, to run the trails, in a heart beat. It is a great way to get your stock jeep off the ground, and get some clearance, cheaply. And the wifey still thinks she has too race the beamers, around corners, with this lift..........
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Here's a shot of my FJ40 in front of my shop. I had just put the new RC shocks on with new 36" Swampers. Early 2006 before I painted it orange.



Umm...not wanting to get off-topic, but I was just wondering where you got the "Caution Left Turn Ahead" bikini top???

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