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Old 06-02-2009, 08:13 PM   #1
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Royal Purple= Lifter Rattle?

Changed oil and filter. Used fram filter and royal purple 10w30. Six quarts. filled filter about half. Started fine no noise. Short trip to school, about 3 miles. Next morning at start up loud lifter (??) rattle for first few seconds, like starved for oil. Never heard this before oil change. Oil level is right on. Ideas??

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Old 06-02-2009, 08:35 PM   #2
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i would change filter
again
your only out 5 bucks if it doesnt work
try a different brand

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Old 06-02-2009, 10:07 PM   #3
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It's most likely that you jarred some sludge loose and it's blocking the oil ports. Did you flush the engine before the oil change? Was there some nasty sludge on the bottom side of the oil cap?
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According to Doctor D on the Rubicon Owners Forum, Fram is the worst filter you can use in a jeep, and Royal Purple does not have the ACEA A3 spec that's best for a 4.0 jeep engine.

Mobil 1 synthetic HM 10w-30 exceeds specs... among others that are less expensive.

Walmart 10w-30 synthetic in the quart containers meets the specs at my store, that's what I've been using. I use Hastings (I forget the exact #)filters based upon research found on ROF as well.

There is much discussion (some heated)on all jeep oil/fluids floating around the net.
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Old 06-03-2009, 02:21 AM   #5
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i like wix. if you want i can try to get you some pictures tomorrow of filters that the tops have been cut off of.


Fram used to be decent until they were bought out. they mainly use cardboard as the interior filter material.
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:04 AM   #6
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the fram oil filter is a horrible oil filter
change it with a better filter I use the moble1 oil filter or the k&n oil filter
the k&n oil filter has an anti drain back on it to keep the oil in the engine for start up
I know both of those oil filters are a little more expensive but its worth it to get the proper oil flow
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:04 AM   #7
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I agree about the WIX filters. I researched the hell out of filters a few years ago and they were one of the few that met my standards at all levels: Quality, Features, Price, and availability. Almost hard to find but my O'Riellys stocks them normally.

They are all I use now. Only thing I miss about the FRAM's is the non slip end. Can't take them off with my bare hands anymore!
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Fram is junk- get rid of it.
Not a fan at all of Royal Purple- never seen any benefit vs. Mobil 1, it caused a lifter tick in my Subaru, and lost power in every head-to-head dyno test I've seen or done vs. Mobil 1. Plus, it costs more.
Ditch both- go Mobil 1, be happy- Mark W.
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Yep, trash the Fram oil filter. Since being acquired by Allied Signal years ago, their quality has taken a big nose-dive. They are infamous for having a leaky anti-drainback valve which allows a dry startup. When the anti-drainback valve leaks, the oil that is supposed to stay in the top-end of the system is instead allowed to drain back down into the oil pan.

Swap it out for a quality oil filter like from Wix, AC-Delco Duraguard, or Purolator PureOne.
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Thanks for all the info, had no idea Fram was no good.The one I took off was K-Mart off brand about 1/3 smaller. Will change asap. Did not notice sludge on old filter or in pan but sounds like likely possibility. Also sounds like expensive flush w RP to change over to mobile one or valvoline. Always used RP in my vette with no issues but chev 350 obviously different from 4.0. Lesson learned, don't ask question (no matter how stupid/simple) prob cost ya money to go back and do it right.
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You won't see sludge in the filter- it'll be in the pan or, more likely, the valve cover. And yeah- questions don't cost money- the answers do Mark W.
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My recommendations on oil is 5 quarts of a quality brand of choice and 1 quart of Lucas oil Stabilizer. That’s what I have done with mine since purchase at 74k and it actually quieted my engine down..
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My recommendations on oil is 5 quarts of a quality brand of choice and 1 quart of Lucas oil Stabilizer.
Of all the additives out there, Lucas Oil Stabilizer is the LAST (!!!) one I would use. Bob is the Oil Guy's website has a great demo of that product that showed how much worse it made the oil at lubrication, not a bit of improvement. Once the Lucas was added, the lube started holding air bubbles in suspension (it foams). The lube with Lucas added to it turns milky colored once the gears started turning from the trapped air.

Here's a link to that test of Lucas Oil Stabilizer... http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/images/lucas/lucas.htm

It was said above already, leave the additives on the store shelves.
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^I can vouch for that happening. Put half a quart into an engine I was doing a VC gasket on- turned all frothy and milky after just 5 minutes- yuck- Mark W.
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Oil Flush

OK before I waste more money and time should I run an engine oil flush to get rid of possible sludge or do you think running Royal Purple for 100 miles has done the trick? If so what is a good product? Will this be removed thru drain plug? Don't have to drop pan right? My plan is Mobile One 10w30, no additive (??) and Mobile One Filter. Thanks for the help and info.
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I use Royal Purple in all my vehicles but have not changed yet in my new Wrangler 2003 Sahara. One of the best oils in my opinion I use the appropriate weight etc in My GMC Duramax and both of our Toyotas no problem in any of them in fact I like the quiteness and added performance. How many miles on your jeep, some opine that you should not change to Synthetic oils if you have an older engine with miles. The only non royal purple vehicle that I have is my 1990 Wrangler YJ.
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OK before I waste more money and time should I run an engine oil flush to get rid of possible sludge or do you think running Royal Purple for 100 miles has done the trick? If so what is a good product? Will this be removed thru drain plug? Don't have to drop pan right? My plan is Mobile One 10w30, no additive (??) and Mobile One Filter. Thanks for the help and info.
Sludge is no longer an issue with modern multi-weight engine oils providing you keep up with the oil and filter changes.

Personally, I wouldn't waste the $$$ on Mobil-1 or any other synthetic engine oil unless it was winter and the temps were uber-cold where synthetic lubes are worth their weight in gold. But in temperate or hot climates, a good multi-grade non-synthetic engine oil like Valvoline will protect your engine just as well (!) for less $$$. Very good oil filters include Wix, AC-Delco Duraguard, and Purolator PureOne... there are other good brands of oil filters too but the brand to avoid is the shoddily manufactured (in my personal opinion) Fram oil filter.

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