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Old 06-11-2010, 12:42 PM   #1
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Rubicon Express Hack n' Tap SYE?

Had anybody had any experience with it. It seems like a cheaper and easyer way for me to get an SYE under the jeep.

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I've done some research on 'em, and from what I've found there are a lot of nay-sayers who are rehashing the bad opinions they heard elsewhere. I'm also seeing A LOT more installation write-ups and reviews where people love 'em.

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not sure i'd like to cut the shaft like that, but
here is a decent ( and i use that word very
loosely ) write up / install on it -

Hack 'N Tap SYE Installation
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Ive never heard of them before. I read the write up and it looks pretty simple.
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looks pretty redneck to me

but hell... I'm from alabama!

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if it gets the job done...
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RE's Hack 'n Tap actually works very well, it's pretty much a problem-free way to go unless you're running huge (37"++) tires.
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Hack and Tap

Got it on our 97 TJ 4.0 5sp 3" lift, 33" BFG's, no problems with 80k on od.
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Never seen this before, anyone know how much cheaper it is that a SYE set-up? Seems like it would just be easier to get a SYE from Tom Woods, I didn't think his prices were bad at all
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I just found my SYE
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Never seen this before, anyone know how much cheaper it is that a SYE set-up? Seems like it would just be easier to get a SYE from Tom Woods, I didn't think his prices were bad at all
RE's Hack 'n Tap is less than $100. Rubicon Express hack 'n tap - Google Product Search
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Jerry, quick question. I have no experience in installing either the standard SYE or the Hack/Tap......but would like to give it a try. Which would you recommend, and why?
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If $$$ is tight, I'd go for the RE hack 'n tap. If $$$ is no issue, I'd go for a standard SYE but that's not to say I would do so out of any fear the hack 'n tap would break.

The hack & tap is definitely easier/faster to install, the t-case doesn't have to come apart. The output shaft length is trimmed with a saw, then a small hole is drilled into the end of the cut off shaft with the bit supplied in the kit, and then that hole is tapped (threaded) with the tap included in the kit. No, the hole is not critical & it being perfectly centered is not super-critical. The splines on the shaft & RE supplied flange are what center and position the RE flange to the shaft. The bolt that threads into the threads you cut only holds the flange in place, it doesn't center anything. That the shaft becomes shorter strengthens it too. Not that it is as strong as a standard SYE kit, but it is strong enough for most who need a SYE kit. I've personally never heard of a hack 'n tap failing.

A standard SYE is stronger, but again, RE's hack 'n tap is plenty strong enough for the vast majority of us.
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wonder what blaine would think of the hack and tap
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Blaine's opinion of the hack 'n tap is that it's adequate for most wheelers, we talked about it years ago. So long as you're not running big tires like 37" or bigger on extreme level trails like are found out in Johnson Valley, it holds up fine.
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Thanks for the heads-up Jerry. My goal is to run 37's, so I think I'll opt for the full SYE.
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Thanks for the heads-up Jerry. My goal is to run 37's, so I think I'll opt for the full SYE.
Good decision, I would too for that. I had a standard SYE in my last TJ too, luckily I don't need to worry about it in my replacment Rubicon.
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Yeah, you Rubicon owners have a helluva foundation to build up on. The rest of us have to play catch-up!!

I don't really want to pay someone to install the SYE.....I'd rather learn how to do it myself. How hard is the install if I don't remove the TC from the Jeep?
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No need to remove the entire t-case at all. In fact, I think removing the whole thing just slows the installation process down. I installed my SYE after simply removing the rear half of the t-case while leaving the front of it bolted to the transmission.

To make it easier to work on and give me plenty of room, I backed the rear tires up onto a pair of car ramps. Any SYE kit you buy should come with very well written instructions with plenty of photos.
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I found this tutorial on YouTube. Doesn't look too intimidating......though I might have to pick up a few new tools.

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The only special tool you'll need that you may as well start looking for now is a set of ultra-wide opening snap-ring pliers. Note I didn't say "high quality" I said ultra-wide opening. Standard snap-ring pliers don't open widely enough for an SYE installation. I ended up finding mine on either the local Matco or Snap-On tool truck, I forget which.
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i watched the guys at my offroad shot install the one
on our lj. wasnt terribly difficult, and they didnt even
have to take the skid plate off, much less drop the t
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The only special tool you'll need that you may as well start looking for now is a set of ultra-wide opening snap-ring pliers. Note I didn't say "high quality" I said ultra-wide opening. Standard snap-ring pliers don't open widely enough for an SYE installation. I ended up finding mine on either the local Matco or Snap-On tool truck, I forget which.
Any suggestions on which SYE I should go with? Or are they mostly all the same? I'm not looking for the cheapest, I'm looking for the toughest.
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Most seem to be about the same in terms of quality, I wouldn't doubt they're all made by no more than 2-3 manufacturers. I'd be happy with any from Advance Adapters, Tom Wood, JB Conversions, etc. The only type I personally would avoid would be the super-short version from JB that eliminates the speedometer gear for easy speedometer calibration. A standard SYE provides plenty of additional driveshaft length and maintains the ease of snap-in speedometer gear replacements without the need to buy an electronic speedometer calibrator like the super-short SYE kits require.
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Blaine's opinion of the hack 'n tap is that it's adequate for most wheelers, we talked about it years ago. So long as you're not running big tires like 37" or bigger on extreme level trails like are found out in Johnson Valley, it holds up fine.
im suprised that he would agree with cutting your output shaft, as this
seems far and away from the "doing it right the first time" line of thought.
oh well, i dont know him personally so... i digress

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Any suggestions on which SYE I should go with? Or are they mostly all the same? I'm not looking for the cheapest, I'm looking for the toughest.
i went with the pro comp sye. it came with everything needed, as do
most of the rest of em..
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im suprised that he would agree with cutting your output shaft, as this
seems far and away from the "doing it right the first time" line of thought.
oh well, i dont know him personally so... i digress.
There is nothing inherently wrong with trimming the output shaft's length to install the flange. It works well and has been around many years without problem. It's only with larger tires & tougher trails that a standard SYE is the recommended way to go. Not everyone runs 37" or bigger tires & does Johnson Valley. There are many "kludge" fixes and hack ways to do things, RE's Hack 'n Tap kit is by no means either of those.

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