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Old 11-10-2007, 01:18 PM   #1
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Rubicon Express vs. Teraflex

Considering 3.5 to 4.5 lift for my 06' Rubicon. Not so much for crawling - like to run in the dessert more. Is one better than the other? And why. Any other suggestions? Thanxs.

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Old 11-10-2007, 01:38 PM   #2
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I'm hearing really bad things about Teras bushings. They wear out fast. On the other hand RE has only positive "reviews."

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Old 11-10-2007, 01:53 PM   #3
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if you just want to run in the dessert it would probl. be better to stay lower to the ground...maybe better tires
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:02 PM   #4
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I'd imagine he would want to put big tires with very small BS...
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:35 PM   #5
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There had been some issues in the past with the RE bushings as well, but they are running a new design. I have had some on my LA kit for a few months now and they seem to be holding up well. In addition I get to change a fair share of the other vendors kits to RE and this has been an ongoing thing. I have yet to see someone come in and change an RE kit to something else.

In a nutshell with RE you will get what you pay for!!
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:40 PM   #6
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There had been some issues in the past with the RE bushings as well, but they are running a new design. I have had some on my LA kit for a few months now and they seem to be holding up well. In addition I get to change a fair share of the other vendors kits to RE and this has been an ongoing thing. I have yet to see someone come in and change an RE kit to something else.

In a nutshell with RE you will get what you pay for!!


thats why I got it!
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Old 11-10-2007, 03:35 PM   #7
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Ive been running teraflex for a couple of years and I haven't had a problem with there bushings I mean johnny joints and no track bar up front or rear
I just took off the 3" terra coils and put some 4"procomp coils (that I got for free) and I just put 35's on

but I know alot of people running RE and half of them are no longer running RE
some went to nthdegree for the high clearance control arms and the others are running poly performance
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:38 PM   #8
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Not knocking your lift MR4X4, just stating what I have seen at our shop. Curious about switches from an RE SA kit to something else vs. an RE LA to something else?

Nth is gone but will soon be sold in some form from AEV, Poly makes a good kit as well.

As far as performance goes in the LA arena my feeling is that RE has a great product, the improvement in road manners is noticeable. I have driven Nth, Full Traction, and Tera LA kits and in my opinion it is a toss up between RE and Nth. I will stand by my statement that with RE you get what you pay for. They have stood by their products and have provided me with great customer service and support over the years. Also pretty nice for me as they are located near my work so if I need something I can just run down and get it.

FWIW in the SA arena there is very little difference between any kit out there. They are all virtually the same and provide nothing more then body clearance for bigger tires. They all utilize the stock upper control arm mounting points and really don't change any of the stock geometry.

Johnny Joints, Gyro Joints and Superflex Joints are all pretty much the same as well, I am partial to the Superflex joint because it is rebuildable and has worked well for me over the years.

Note the above mentioned is just my opinion based on my experiences, nothing more. I don't claim to be some guru of the jeep or lift kits. I do work in a shop and I do see what comes in and what leaves so my statements above are almost entirely based on that, the rest is based on my time using the RE LA on a 03 TJ with the funny little sticker removed from the hood as well as most of the parts associated with that funny little sticker. Someday it will have no relevance at all as I will be running Solid 60's front and rear with ARB's and an Atlas 2.
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:14 PM   #9
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Not knocking your lift MR4X4, just stating what I have seen at our shop. Curious about switches from an RE SA kit to something else vs. an RE LA to something else?

Nth is gone but will soon be sold in some form from AEV, Poly makes a good kit as well.
you didn't knock my lift but I ran RE long arms on my mj now the mj is running rock krawler why you might ask well the left front control arm broke and since RE was hassling me on getting it replaced I called up rock krawler and when rock krawlers new high clearance arms and bigger hiems came out I asked RK if they would replace there old arms with there new ones all I had to do was send them the old ones and they sent me the new one free of charge
and if the hiem joints ever go out on me I just order up they rebuild kit

That's why I changed a friend of mine came into my shop and had me take the RE long arm kit off and replace it with nth degree only because he kept getting hung up on the rocks and having to be towed up
now he has better clearance

Ive also seen there track bars break like they did to my neighbor when I took him out right after the lift kit was done on his XJ and it was a mild trail
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:21 PM   #10
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Dont get me wrong I like RE and terraflex I think all lift kits have there flaws
and when you can wheel every single day even on your way to work or back anything will can fail
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well I have no complaints about my RE kit after today. Performed great!
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:40 PM   #12
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you didn't knock my lift but I ran RE long arms on my mj now the mj is running rock krawler why you might ask well the left front control arm broke and since RE was hassling me on getting it replaced I called up rock krawler and when rock krawlers new high clearance arms and bigger hiems came out I asked RK if they would replace there old arms with there new ones all I had to do was send them the old ones and they sent me the new one free of charge
and if the hiem joints ever go out on me I just order up they rebuild kit

That's why I changed a friend of mine came into my shop and had me take the RE long arm kit off and replace it with nth degree only because he kept getting hung up on the rocks and having to be towed up
now he has better clearance

Ive also seen there track bars break like they did to my neighbor when I took him out right after the lift kit was done on his XJ and it was a mild trail

To go from a Superflex joint to a hiem is a downgrade. Hiems fail and are not rubuildable, just replaceable. I am sorry you had a hassle with a broken arm but I would ask which company warranties a broken arm? None that I know of...even asked the boss about it today @ work and he has never heard of anyone replaceing a broken LCA unless it was due to some sort of manufacturer defect.

All parts will break if you abuse them or use them enough, or if you are using the wrong part for a given application. We had a customer who broke the regular duty TB recently, he didn't like the extreme duty TB so he had a replacement made using a hiem....he will break it eventually but he carries a spare hiem so that isn't an issue. Point is that in our game parts break no matter how well engineered they are. If you wheel every day on the way to work as you said you are more likely to break them than I. Get used to it.
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well you should look at rock krawler it doesn't matter if there component breaks from abuse or if it was a defect they will replace all hard parts

something like this is 5 min. from my house I go out often several times a week and weekends


this is typical for rock krawler the location is about 15 -20min. from the lasvegas strip


oh and the rebuild kit for my krawler joint (hiems) is about $5 looks like they are rebuildabe

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ive been runnin my RE superflex 3.5 pretty hard and no problems so far. and have never seen anyone have a problem either.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:01 PM   #15
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ive been runnin my RE superflex 3.5 pretty hard and no problems so far. and have never seen anyone have a problem either.
X2 - I beat the crap out of my RE 3.5" Super Flex and no problems.
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:12 AM   #16
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well you should look at rock krawler it doesn't matter if there component breaks from abuse or if it was a defect they will replace all hard parts


oh and the rebuild kit for my krawler joint (hiems) is about $5 looks like they are rebuildabe
Well I guess I was wrong, sig says not an expert on anything so I prove it from time to time!

Still I would rather have parts on my jeep that rarely fail then parts that are known to fail.

In the long run a lift is a lift, you perfer RK, I perfer RE. I have had good luck with my equipment at Fordyce and the Rubicon (although the Rubicon is not hard) as well as dozens of other trails in the area and you run hard areas and trails as well.......we wheel our junk. And I will say that we can agree to disagree or at least I will.

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