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Old 02-20-2012, 12:58 PM   #1
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I am contemplating a move to a Rubicon from years above. My reasoning is to gain D44 front and rear, the 241 (4-1 Transfer case) and hopefully a 6 speed manual trans (maybe only a 5 speed, easier to find) My questions are with this set up will I be low enough with the 4.10 / 4.11 gears to run 35s? and has anybody needed / wanted to upgrade the stock lockers?

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Old 02-20-2012, 02:04 PM   #2
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The only upgrade most do is the bypass on the stock locker. That way you don't have to be in 4Wheel Low to engage them. I am pretty happy about my Rubi. The only bad thing about mine is it is an Manual 5 speed. I am saving up to move to the 42RLE. If you are going to play in the rocks, Auto is the only way to go.

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Old 02-20-2012, 02:04 PM   #3
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With the manual trans you'll need atleast 4.88's with the 35's

I ran 33's on the stock gears for a few years and then even ran a set of 35's, but I did regear for the 35's after having them for a couple months.

I believe that the 5spd was only 03-04 and 6spd came out in 05-06 if I remember correctly.

The stock lockers held up fine for me, I know each Jeep is different and all depends on the previous owner if it was abused or not or had any issues.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:06 PM   #4
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If you are going to play in the rocks, Auto is the only way to go.
I play in the rocks and last 2 Jeeps have been manual.... its all in your preference.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:16 PM   #5
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The only upgrade most do is the bypass on the stock locker. That way you don't have to be in 4Wheel Low to engage them. I am pretty happy about my Rubi. The only bad thing about mine is it is an Manual 5 speed. I am saving up to move to the 42RLE. If you are going to play in the rocks, Auto is the only way to go.

Here is a link explaining how to do it if you do get one:
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Yeah, that bypass is a great mod, I had heard about that problem and I apreciate the link to Stu's fix. I also know that an auto is preffered for rock crawling, but I really like driving a stick. That is part of my thoughts on the 5 vs 6 speed and having the lower T case. Thx
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:21 PM   #6
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With the manual trans you'll need atleast 4.88's with the 35's

I ran 33's on the stock gears for a few years and then even ran a set of 35's, but I did regear for the 35's after having them for a couple months.

I believe that the 5spd was only 03-04 and 6spd came out in 05-06 if I remember correctly.

The stock lockers held up fine for me, I know each Jeep is different and all depends on the previous owner if it was abused or not or had any issues.
Yeah, I was hoping with the lower T case and 6 speed, I could get by without gearing. You may be right on the 6 speed, the only one that I have found was an 05'

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6 speeds were only offered in 05 and 06. I am running 35 MT MTZs and I barely notice a power drop. The tranny is geared pretty low and can handle it. you CAN go to 4.56s but if you drive it on the highway...u may not like the RPM readings... I'm staying 4.10s with my 35s... for me its plenty and I have it off road just as much as i do on.
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With the manual trans you'll need atleast 4.88's with the 35's
I most respectfully disagree. With an automatic I do agree. With a 5 speed manual I do agree. But not with the 6 speed manual, in my personal opinion. I have an '06 Rubicon with the 6 speed manual, which I ran for a while with 35's. In my opinion, for driving on the road with stock tires, the 6 speed Rubicon was geared too short in first gear and too tall in second gear, for starting from a dead stop. I usually started in 2nd, using the clutch very carefully. After going to 35's with stock gearing, first gear seemed exactly correct for street use. And I never, ever got into a place on the trails or rocks where I needed a shorter overall ratio than what was available in low range first gear.

Some will argue about lost "power" that needs to be restored by going to shorter gearing with the 35's. That definitely applies to automatics or to manual boxes with fewer gear choices. Power is lost if the rpm's fall lower in the powerband. The overall gear ratio (translating to a given rpm for a given mph) factors how much hp gets to the ground. With the 6 speed there are enough ratios available to get what you need. I might be running 4th gear where I used to run 5th, or 3rd where I used to run 4th, but my opinion is that it's not a problem. If you get the rpm's where you want them for a given mph you don't lose any "power". And I could still effectively use 6th as an overdrive, just not uphill. Definitely not uphill.

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I most respectfully disagree. With an automatic I do agree. With a 5 speed manual I do agree. But not with the 6 speed manual, in my personal opinion. I have an '06 Rubicon with the 6 speed manual, which I ran for a while with 35's. In my opinion, for driving on the road with stock tires, the 6 speed Rubicon was geared too short in first gear and too tall in second gear, for starting from a dead stop. I usually started in 2nd, using the clutch very carefully. After going to 35's with stock gearing, first gear seemed exactly correct for street use. And I never, ever got into a place on the trails or rocks where I needed a shorter overall ratio than what was available in low range first gear.

Some will argue about lost "power" that needs to be restored by going to shorter gearing with the 35's. That definitely applies to automatics or to manual boxes with fewer gear choices. Power is lost if the rpm's fall lower in the powerband. The overall gear ratio (translating to a given rpm for a given mph) factors how much hp gets to the ground. With the 6 speed there are enough ratios available to get what you need. I might be running 4th gear where I used to run 5th, or 3rd where I used to run 4th, but my opinion is that it's not a problem. If you get the rpm's where you want them for a given mph you don't lose any "power". And I could still effectively use 6th as an overdrive, just not uphill. Definitely not uphill.

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That is why I put this question out there so I could get feedback from different people with this set up. I am on 35s now with 4.56 gears, but I dont have the Rubi T case for low or a 6 speed. I am finding more 5 speeds than 6 speeds obviously and want to make sure I dont get a 5 speed if I wont be happy with it...It sounds like you are saying that a 5 sp would not be sufficient. Thx for the response.
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I'm not saying a 5 speed wouldn't be sufficient. I personally do not have experience with a 5 speed, just the 6. I know people who have, and love, their 5 speeds. The only point I'm making, is that for me, the 6 speed works great without re-gearing. Hope that helps.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #11
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I have had 35s on my o4 since o4. She is great. I can haul booty 85 down the highway, shes fine. She is happier around 75. I have had her to the door handles deep in mud at mudfest and havent been stuck yet. I Love it.
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I have 35s on order and can't wait to get a 13% increase in gear. I won't have to start in 2nd all the time, spin 2800 rpms on the freeway, and shift to 6th at 50 mph. It has way too much gear for my style of driving. for the big rocks / ledges, I might have to use another couple hundred rpms and a little clutch instead of idling up them, but so be it. It has been pretty rare that I needed 4 low and 1st gear.
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I have 35s on order and can't wait to get a 13% increase in gear. I won't have to start in 2nd all the time, spin 2800 rpms on the freeway, and shift to 6th at 50 mph. It has way too much gear for my style of driving. for the big rocks / ledges, I might have to use another couple hundred rpms and a little clutch instead of idling up them, but so be it. It has been pretty rare that I needed 4 low and 1st gear.
Are you going from the stock tires in your profile to 35s? That will be a jump. It doesnt surprise me that you would currently start in 2nd in the street and rarely need 1st even on the rocks. I think I should still try for the 6 speed over the 5 speed, at least I dont see a downside other than availability. Are you staying with the stock 30 spline axle?
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I'm not sure what the stock size is, but my tires rub a bit so I figure they are not stock, but roughly 31". 31 to 35 is only 13%. 2500 rpms will go down to 2212. Not much difference. Stock axles unless I bust one. The 6 speed is way better than the 5 speed. I had the 5 speed on my 02 before it was stolen.

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