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Old 04-01-2012, 01:15 AM   #1
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Rugged ridge SYE

Has anyone had problems with their rugged ridge SYE? Not the shorty. I've had mine installed for less then 300 miles, and can't get it to stop leaking at the rear output seal. I emailed RR when I first saw it leaking, they were good at sending me a new seal quickly and free of charge, slapped it in this morning, put maybe 20 miles on it and it's leaking again...

The pinion angle is set correctly and you can't feel any vibes (it had some before the SYE at about 50mph). It seeps around where the yoke meets the seal. The picture is after I cleaned it up, but you can kinda see the wetness at the bottom, then it runs down the tail house.

Anyone had this problem? Remedys? Tips? Anything will help. I don't want to have to buy another SYE but if that's what it's gonna take to stop the leaking ill have to go that route, I can't afford to forget to check the fluid level and blow my tcase.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:35 AM   #2
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That's why people don't recommend them. They also have problems with the speedo leaking. Look around, I think there is a fix with a flat washer out there. Try RR SYE leaks on google.

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Old 04-01-2012, 01:43 AM   #3
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Thanks for the tip. Does anyone know if a JB conversions seal would work on the RR housing?
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:58 AM   #4
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Did you happen to throw a small amount of grease on the seal prior to install? I just installed mine on Thursday, but haven't driven it yet... yeah I have the RR SYE.... not happy to hear about this right now....
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:19 AM   #5
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Yup, I lubed it up with some ATF like the instructions said before I put the yoke in. I forgot to give the yoke a good once over for burs before putting it back in, but there wasn't anything noticeable. Maybe it needs a thicker grease then atf? Luckily RR has had fantastic customer service so I'm not too worried about getting screwed. I just dont want to have to crack the seal on the tcase halfs or tail housing again.
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:45 AM   #6
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Jeep guy if you look at my threads I had the same freakin nightmare.... I went thru 2 RR SYE..meaning sent it back they sent me a new LEAKED then they sent me a new seal I installed it LEAKED again they sent me another brand new SYE guess what leaked....after all this work or installing and uninstalling I called them asked for a shipping label and a REFUND...I then ordered my JB and WOW what a difference on the quality on parts the finish....I wish I would have gone with them from day 1 not one leak anywhere...and trust RR knows about this problem your not the first... Try to get a refund and go with JB.. Good luck
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:59 AM   #8
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hmmm.... I won't be happy.....
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Used assy lube on mine, no leaks noticed yet, but I'll keep an eye on it now.
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Try going to a autoparts store and get a quality replacment seal national ect. . See if they can get it in a double lipped if possible. You are probably getting a made in china seal from RR that is having issues with holding up to the heat.
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Hey man that sad to hear. i did mine yesterday no leaks so far so good. hopefully it stays that way. but after i did mine i looked up the video for AA SYE, seeing a professional do their install. and they mention stuff on the video that RR didnt include in the instruction. that i rememeber for example they let the RTV seal settle for an Hour before putting the housing on the transfer case, and same on the other one. i'm not good with parts name so hope you understand. they also added that rubber washer that came with the kit, before putting on the yoke he put a good decent amount of RTV inside the yoke before putting the rubber ring on it. i didnt do mine like after i saw that it made sense. that would give a whole lot more of a seal that just putting it in. hope that helps.
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Tj jam, I'm glad you chimed in, I was gonna PM you after seeing your thread later last night.

Im gonna get another seal, try thicker grease and Give it another shot, if that doesn't work then its going back to RR and I'll have to try a JB
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Ok, went to o'reilly's and got a new seal that someone posted on a different thread. part # National seal # 3946 it seams to be a much better design. I'm waiting for the RTV to set up on the yoke before I drive it, but I'll let you guys know how it does. If it works I'm gonna call rugged ridge and let them know they need to start using this seal instead otherwise they'll be losing customers.
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Thanks for the National Part #.. gonna pick one up for a spare... cheap enough.

Give an update on the outcome after you get it on the road.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:51 PM   #15
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I figured for $16.00 it's worth a shot. The tail housing on the AA and JB seem to all be the same as RR so I don't think it's a design flaw there, it's a seal issue. I'm wondering if the JB seal works on the RR tail housing.

I'll give an update later tonight, tomorrow morning when I get a few miles under it.
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I had the same problem with my rr sye. I went to Napa and got a new seal. Haven't had a problem since and have put on a few hundred miles.

I can't say good things about rr product quality. The sye is one of two things I have purchased with their name on it and they have both been poorly made.

The second was the stainless brackets since mine were rusting and the orange rust stains didn't look so good on the white paint . I figured stainless would be nice since it wouldn't rust. Unfortunately the brackets are so sloppy the doors now don't shut flush. I have decided to blast my old brackets and have them zinc plated then paint them black.
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Just got done driving it about 20 miles (the old seal would start leaking at that point) and its dry as a bone... I'm keeping my fingers crossed this solved it. I'll be contacting RR tomorrow
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Jeep Guy I'm glad it's working out. That's a great idea to call RR maybe they will listen and change their seals.. Wish they would test their products before selling them. I heard their old SYE had no issues they might of just changed production companies who know.
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I would just give it another day before calling them and letting them know everything things is OK
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:19 PM   #21
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I would just give it another day before calling them and letting them know everything things is OK
Yeah that's what I was thinking too, they probably wont be able to change anything due to supplier contracts and what not but it's worth a shot.

put on another 30 miles just now and it's still holding up, I think it's just a bad design on the seal, it has a ton of rubber which I'm thinking was too soft and more to wear out, the national brand seal had less rubber making it stiffer.
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Not that I run either but I tend to lump RR and Smittybilt into the same category, cheap knockoffs of otherwise superior products. Some stuff may work out ok,or not totally crap but for something that can leave me dead in the water, even as cheap as I am I would spring for the difference for the peace of mind. Mission critical parts are not a place to scrimp. Not a criticism at all on your choice, just an opinion...
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Just looked at AA's, JB conversions, and RR, the SYE is the exact same price, $199. Its a no-brainer now....
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Just looked at AA's, JB conversions, and RR, the SYE is the exact same price, $199. Its a no-brainer now....
Is it really only 199 from jb? I could swear they were 3 something but I haven't looked in a while. I plan on getting the jb when I do mine
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Not that I run either but I tend to lump RR and Smittybilt into the same category, cheap knockoffs of otherwise superior products. Some stuff may work out ok,or not totally crap but for something that can leave me dead in the water, even as cheap as I am I would spring for the difference for the peace of mind. Mission critical parts are not a place to scrimp. Not a criticism at all on your choice, just an opinion...
I agree, even though I run a few Smittybilt products that I'm happy with. I have the Rugged Ridge steering system and it flat out sucks a big one! I'm good with the cheap non mission critical parts being cheap knockoffs, but the stuff that matters to get me off the trail at the end of the day is where I spend my money.
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Not that I run either but I tend to lump RR and Smittybilt into the same category, cheap knockoffs of otherwise superior products. Some stuff may work out ok,or not totally crap but for something that can leave me dead in the water, even as cheap as I am I would spring for the difference for the peace of mind. Mission critical parts are not a place to scrimp. Not a criticism at all on your choice, just an opinion...
It's partially my fault for not doing more research on them, I did look at the three and they all seemed to be the same minus the seal... The reason I chose my kit was because it was a $400.00 deal shipped to my door with an Adams driveshaft. The shaft is perfect fit, his customer service was awesome, as was RRs so I'm not totally pissed, if RR put a new seal in I'm not sure there'd be a big difference in the three. If your buying it separate I'd go with the JB just to save you a headache, if you get a RR, get a new seal before you install it.
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Yep, water pumps, rads, steering, axles not places to cheap out.....
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It's partially my fault for not doing more research on them, I did look at the three and they all seemed to be the same minus the seal... The reason I chose my kit was because it was a $400.00 deal shipped to my door with an Adams driveshaft. The shaft is perfect fit, his customer service was awesome, as was RRs so I'm not totally pissed, if RR put a new seal in I'm not sure there'd be a big difference in the three. If your buying it separate I'd go with the JB just to save you a headache, if you get a RR, get a new seal before you install it.
Well sadly, thats how these places stay afloat, feed on people not knowing any better and think they are getting a smoking deal on stuff when they really are not. Looking at JB's page they use that same double lip seal you traded out so that should stop your leak issues at least...
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Yep, water pumps, rads, steering, axles not places to cheap out.....
It must have went down but that's sweet. Now I just need my paycheck
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I think it did. From their page:

The popularity of the Jeep SYE kit has allowed for increased quantities and lower raw materials pricing from the gear shops and casting manufacturers. The resulting volume pricing has allowed us to offer the standard HD SYE kit for a low price. The kit ships complete with the same components as packaged since 1994.

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