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Old 12-19-2012, 03:52 PM   #1
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Seats with 5 point harness in the rear of TJ?

So it was bound to happen, the wife expressed concern for the kids riding in the rear seat in the TJ. She is worried that in the event something happens the kids in their booster seats, which sit up almost level with the top of the wheel well, would be easily ejected. I do agree with her assessment but am in no way willing to give up on this. So heres the question for you mod freaks. How do I get seats with a 5 point harness to fit in the back of the TJ?

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As fellow parent who has hauled around small kids, how could a booster seat that is held in by a seat belt be ejected any more easily than an adult could be that was held in by that same seat belt?

On the 5-way seat belts, you'd need to weld a shoulder harness support bar at shoulder-height to the roll bar for the shoulder straps to pass over.

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Old 12-19-2012, 04:03 PM   #3
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So technically I could use my existing seat and just weld in that bar for the shoulder portions?

BTW this is also an excuse to maybe get new seats so Im running with that

a further search turned up these from mastercraft but they are for 03-06. will that be so much different than my 2000?



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Those Mastercraft seats look like they are bolted to the floor which makes me think they are independent of the OE (factory) back seat mounts that allow the OE seat to be flipped up & out of the way. If they are, I don't see that it would matter that you have an 2000. I'd call Mastercraft for more details on why they say they are made for 2003 and newer if they do indeed just bolt to the floor.
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I would actually consider putting 2 single seats in there if you have any idea what the work load on that might be.
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No idea on the work load other than mounting a single double-wide seat would of course be easier. Just be wary when drilling holes in the floor... there is a gas tank that is only about an inch below the floor. Next, use backing plate or large-diameter strong washers under the flooring to back the nuts up.

Finally, again I know, just make sure to not just anchor the shoulder harnesses to the floor. That shoulder-height support bar for the shoulder harnesses I mentioned above is absolutely mandatory. A close friend of mine was killed in an off road rollover while riding shotgun with her husband because their 5-pt. shoulder harnesses were just attached to the floor. She suffered multiple back fractures from spinal compression & was dead instantly. RIP. He severely broke his leg which sent small bone particles through his body which ended up completely/permanently blinding him a week later after blocking blood flow to his optic nerve which died.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:42 PM   #7
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Well thats a bummer story. Honestly I was considering the gas tank issue while trying to design a mount for the seats. you say it hangs about 1 inch lower than the floorboard? Thats good info there. I am thinking it may be better to run plates instead of washers to give more of a foothold under the tub. this idea is still in the thought process so thanks for all your help.
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As fellow parent who has hauled around small kids, how could a booster seat that is held in by a seat belt be ejected any more easily than an adult could be that was held in by that same seat belt?
This.

As a former federally-certified child safety seat installer, I will repeat what Jerry said: a properly-installed child seat doesn't magically get ejected from the vehicle in a crash. It just doesn't happen. Learn how to properly install the seats in your Jeep, then teach this to your wife (and make sure she knows you are also properly installing them in the vehicle).

If that doesn't alleviate her concerns--and it should--then you could always weld in some extra supports and beef up the rear portion of the roll cage.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:41 PM   #9
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just to clarify heres the seats were talking about. You dont "Install" them. If it were a regular car seat then there would be no issues. these boosters just use the regular seat belts. I keep one in the front seat with the airbag turned off and the other in the rear. Honestly I usually only have one of them so its almost a non issue. But you see how high they sit in those boosters, its just a bit nerve wracking for her.

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I use these too. They just allow the child to sit up a little higher and then they use the regular seat belt like normal. I haven't had my top off yet but now you've got me wondering.
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just to clarify heres the seats were talking about. You dont "Install" them. If it were a regular car seat then there would be no issues. these boosters just use the regular seat belts. I keep one in the front seat with the airbag turned off and the other in the rear. Honestly I usually only have one of them so its almost a non issue. But you see how high they sit in those boosters, its just a bit nerve wracking for her.

How do you turn off the airbags? The only comments I've seen so far are to pull the fuses. Any other options? My daughter is itching to move to the front seat but I'm concerned about the side passenger airbag.
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If your Jeep didn't come with a switch for the passenger-side air bag, the only way to disable the passenger-side air bag is to pull both (!) air bag fuses.... which unfortunately disables both air bags. The two fuses provide redundancy for each other, look at them as just one fuse where one is present in case the other goes bad. So it's not like the left fuse controls the left air bag... if either fuse is present, both air bags are armed & ready.

My only suggestion if you want to disable just the passenger-side is to find a friend who is very good with electrical circuits & wiring & have him wire a high-quality on-off switch into her air bag circuit.
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I wouldnt mess with all that, the air bag light will come on and youll fail inspections (if you have those) Mine came from factory with a front pass airbag keyed switch. There it is right in the center of the console.
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I wouldnt mess with all that, the air bag light will come on...
Only when the switch is in its Off position. To pass the inspection, the switch (which can be tucked out of sight) only needs to be in its On position.
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Thanks for the information. I don't think I want to pull the fuses. I've got her convinced the back seat is the "cool" place to ride for now. Dad is her chauffer (sp?) and will drive her around in style.

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