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Old 02-14-2012, 02:51 PM   #31
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #32
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When I just need the Jeep I tow it like this,

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Old 02-14-2012, 09:40 PM   #33
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and when I need my 4 wheeler & the Jeep I use this method,
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:03 AM   #34
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I just completed this wiring project with great success, using Roadmaster sockets, which have a ground wire, I had the light divider "punched" as in the earlier photo and then fish taped the trailer wire harness through the left frame...... this type of project was my first..... and was truly helped by the information on this forum... thank you to all for their input and the great photos.....
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My jeep came with a bumper-mounted jack for trailer lights, and the flat cable is run into the back with the lights. You have me curious as to how it's wired up. I need to check the internal on the lights, but it might be a setup that just requires the battery to be disconnected. I have nothing to tow it with, so I've never looked.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:46 AM   #36
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Oh, and the funny thing is the people were confused at 4-way intersections....they thought the Jeep should wait it's turn (not realizing it was attached).
Just wait til they try to merge between the 2 in traffic
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:55 PM   #37
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I set my lighting up on my yj today like this. Took a little doing to get the wiring ran but works great!

Thanks for the idea!

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Got the Tow bar on over the weekend



So I got the tail lights done (dedicated 1157 bulbs)...still gotta run the wires to the front.

Before


Added 1157 socket and ground to the metal plate. (The rubber is a piece of fuel line to protect the wires)



Installed and ready for me to route wires to the front of the Jeep.

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Old 05-20-2012, 09:20 PM   #38
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I'll be dragging my rig back down to the desert next weekend, have the towbar in the garage ready to go. I bought some lights from oreillys with the magnet mount, a little more than the ones from HF but after all the bad reviews I read I didn't want to chance them being doa so I spent the fifty up front. Now I just wait for the mount points that are being made for me to arrive and I will be golden!!
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The need for brakes has been discussed, but I'd like to add a little. A Jeep weighs roughly 3000-3700 lbs. depending on the model. Maybe more if you have it lifted and larger tires. But, let's just say 3300 lbs for a round number. Now a typical 4 WD Suburban weighs in around 5000 lbs - weight closely distributed between front and rear axles or about 2500 lbs on ea. In an emergency stop without aux brakes in the towed vehicle, you'll have more weight pushing against the rear of the Suburban than what is holding it down. Now if the emergency stop is not perfectly straight, a part of the towed vehicle's weight becomes a side-push and can easily cause a jack-knife. Get that towed vehicle switching ends with the towing vehicle and it's time to eject.

Another problem some folks don't consider is the angle of the tow bar between the towing vehicle (TV) and the towed. If it angles down from the towed vehicle more than 3-4 inches, in an emergency stop, the towed vehicle can almost pole vault into the TV. If it angles up, it tends to lift the rear end of the TV and can dive under.

Granted, these are extreme conditions, but if it happens to you, you might not fare well in court. Just sayin'
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I think those are all good things to consider. In my particular case, my truck weighs 8000lbs and when I tow my TJ, I don't even know its back there...even when I hit the truck brakes hard, the truck stops it all as if the Jeep wasn't even back there.

I'd like to see Mythbusters test your "polevault" theory.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:13 PM   #41
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I set my lighting up on my yj today like this. Took a little doing to get the wiring ran but works great!

Thanks for the idea!

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Sweet! Yeah, I personally thought it was a fun project once I got the wiring routed from front to back, but it was not too bad.
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:28 PM   #42
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I just set my '05 L J to tow behind a motorhome we just bought. I went with a Roadmaster Falcon tow bar & base plates for the Jeep. Had the local RV shop install the brackets and they did the wiring using diodes in the tail lights. Could have done it myself, probably taken all day. They had it done in less than 3 hours.
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Interesting thread. We towed our TJ over 85,000 miles over the years and have some pretty stong opinions about brakes and tow bars.

The folks that use the rather inexpensive A frame type tow bars without brakes have the best chance, and I mean chance. Telescoping tow bars will fail quickly if you don't have brakes to help keep the stress off the bar. Angle of the tow bar between the vehicles is critical to safe towing no matter what. What if, Heaven forbid, your vehicle breaks away... do you have a breakaway brake system?

The reason people don't use these systems is cost. Guys don't think twice about thowing a couple grand into wheels and tires and another grand into a lift, but to get the rig to and from the trail they figure "I don't even feel it back there" so it must be safe.

Think of it like this, would you rather get hit in the face by a baseball that is just tossed at you, or a MLB fastball? According to the "I don't need a brake" mentality, they should feel the same. It is, after all, the same ball, isn't it?

Here is an article about the physics of a towed vehicle. Though this happens to relate to the issue with a much larger vehicle towing something without brakes, consider what happens when you can't stop in time. I hope you will take the time to read it.

I'm well aware of the arguments against using a brake system, but the bottom line of every argument I've read is cost. Nobody has ever stated that a supplemental brake system won't help stop quicker in a panic situation.

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I'm well aware of the arguments against using a brake system, but the bottom line of every argument I've read is cost.

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Not only the cost factor ... but also the "ignorance" factor. And before anyone gets their panties wadded up, ignorance is NOT the same as dumb or stupid.

Most folks haven't been bitten yet so they think they are safe. As an example: I have owned and towed boats for the last 35 years. I've never been in an accident while towing. But a few years ago I bought my first bass boat that had trailer brakes. "WOW" is not an ample description. And I can assure you that from this day forward, I will never tow another trailer, boat, vehicle, or anything else that has any weight to it without the trailer having brakes. Unless you've actually experienced the difference, you have no idea of the benefits.
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I agree with Steve305, I have a 12500 lb MH that has disc brakes front and rear so it stops very well. When I tow my 4200 lb Jeep it makes a big difference in stopping with the SMI brake system turned on you can actualy feel the extra pull from the rear.
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Interesting thread. We towed our TJ over 85,000 miles over the years and have some pretty stong opinions about brakes and tow bars.

The folks that use the rather inexpensive A frame type tow bars without brakes have the best chance, and I mean chance. Telescoping tow bars will fail quickly if you don't have brakes to help keep the stress off the bar. Angle of the tow bar between the vehicles is critical to safe towing no matter what. What if, Heaven forbid, your vehicle breaks away... do you have a breakaway brake system?

The reason people don't use these systems is cost. Guys don't think twice about thowing a couple grand into wheels and tires and another grand into a lift, but to get the rig to and from the trail they figure "I don't even feel it back there" so it must be safe.

Think of it like this, would you rather get hit in the face by a baseball that is just tossed at you, or a MLB fastball? According to the "I don't need a brake" mentality, they should feel the same. It is, after all, the same ball, isn't it?

Here is an article about the physics of a towed vehicle. Though this happens to relate to the issue with a much larger vehicle towing something without brakes, consider what happens when you can't stop in time. I hope you will take the time to read it.

I'm well aware of the arguments against using a brake system, but the bottom line of every argument I've read is cost. Nobody has ever stated that a supplemental brake system won't help stop quicker in a panic situation.

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I think that is a great article for flat towing behind an RV. But behind my Dodge Dually, I am content on using safety chains when towing my Jeep, utility trailers, small boats, etc....with no supplemental brake system. In fact, I don't I think I can put brakes my my little jetski trailer.
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:26 PM   #47
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Ok, finally flat towed my Jeep this last weekend for the first time. Went about 300 miles each way. Tow vehicle is a 2011 Ford Explorer with the stock 3.5L V6. Tow capacity is 5000 lbs. The tow bar is almost horizonal when towing. I use an adj height hitch. I also use a bungee cord to keep the sterring wheel straight.
I could tow between 60-65 at best. If I went faster, the incidence of getting some side to side movement in the Jeep increased. I will say that because the hitch is a two piece affair, one piece to go into the receiver and another to go up and down to change the height, makes the entire unit a bit looser than a one piece. I am wondering if I can tighten this up a bit to minimimize the side to side issue. Also, is a tight bungee good enough for the steering wheel or is there another/better solution?
I plan on towing the Jeep, an '05 LJ, to Moab from Dallas next year but am thinking of using the pickup truck, reg cab F150, as it might tow better than the Explorer. Not a lot of zoom in the suv.
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Why do you think you need a bungie on the steering wheel? The Jeep will just follow along and naturally steer with the tow vehicle as needed in corners....could be why you were getting some side to side movement/sway: Jeep was fighting the tow vehicle.

Take it for a test drive without anything on the steering wheel and make sure its unlocked.
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Why do you think you need a bungie on the steering wheel? The Jeep will just follow along and naturally steer with the tow vehicle as needed in corners....could be why you were getting some side to side movement/sway: Jeep was fighting the tow vehicle.

Take it for a test drive without anything on the steering wheel and make sure its unlocked.
I was always told to do this a long time ago.. I will give it a try.. Thanks!
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OK, so out of all of these I like your setup the best. Clean and nothing showing. I'm gonna do it tomorrow. One question about it, the 1157 bulb, does it do turn signals, running and brake all from the same bulb? And how did you make that hole in the sheet metal? Guess that's two. Thanks for the information
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I was able to buy a flat bed utility trailer with electronic brakes for under $2000 brand new.

To properly set up a Jeep for flat towing with brake assists you are already in the $1500 range to do everything correctly.

Now I don't have to eat up my expensive Jeep tires and cause wear and tear on the Jeep when I tow it a few thousand miles every year.

Plus I have a utility trailer to boot. For instance, a weekend of clearing scrap iron from my wife's farm using the trailer paid for itself in 3 trips.
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Not sure why, but my 97 TJ's steering wheel does not lock anyway. When i got it i thought maybe it was suppose to be that way. No problem and problem solved!!!
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I was able to buy a flat bed utility trailer with electronic brakes for under $2000 brand new.

To properly set up a Jeep for flat towing with brake assists you are already in the $1500 range to do everything correctly.

Now I don't have to eat up my expensive Jeep tires and cause wear and tear on the Jeep when I tow it a few thousand miles every year.

Plus I have a utility trailer to boot. For instance, a weekend of clearing scrap iron from my wife's farm using the trailer paid for itself in 3 trips.
This would be my choice too. ^^^
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I was able to buy a flat bed utility trailer with electronic brakes for under $2000 brand new.

To properly set up a Jeep for flat towing with brake assists you are already in the $1500 range to do everything correctly.

Now I don't have to eat up my expensive Jeep tires and cause wear and tear on the Jeep when I tow it a few thousand miles every year.

Plus I have a utility trailer to boot. For instance, a weekend of clearing scrap iron from my wife's farm using the trailer paid for itself in 3 trips.
there are merits to both. I'd love to have a 20-24 ft flatbed car hauler....but I live in a crowded condo complex and don't have a place to park a trailer. But I can always rent a Uhaul trailer for a long trip. Some day I will probably have a utility flatbed...but that's a few years down the road.

I also set my Jeep up to flat tow, and have less than ~$180 into it. No brake assist on the Jeep, my heavy duty Dodge barely notices anyway. I called the state patrol office and verified brake assist wasn't necessary for my state. I used the HF towbar, HF magnetic lights, safety cables, and a cushioned receiver ball mount (to absorb dynamic loading, like slamming brakes in emergency).

I haven't flat towed long distance, and I probably won't. I did flat tow a few months ago...the truck had some hail damage and I had to drop it off at the shop, but still get to work on time. So I flat towed the Jeep, unhooked it, handed over the keys to the truck and drove the Jeep to work. The guy at the shop said he'd never seen anyone do that!
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I fixed my flat towing issues when I got a new ball mount. I needed one that was 12" high so that the tow bar was just about level. Apparently, having a level flat tow bar is essential. I towed my Jeep from Dallas to Moab this past year. I now flat tow it when going off road and to the shop, what a great tool to use. I would also like to have a trailer instead of flat tow, but just don't have the space to put it anywhere. Also, my Jeep with a trailer maxes out the tow capability of my pickup, so its not much of an option unless I get another pickup. And that isn't likely to happen anytime soon.
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OK, so out of all of these I like your setup the best. Clean and nothing showing. I'm gonna do it tomorrow. One question about it, the 1157 bulb, does it do turn signals, running and brake all from the same bulb? And how did you make that hole in the sheet metal? Guess that's two. Thanks for the information
The way its wired is just like you were wiring up a small trailer. I have the 4-pin connector (see pic) going to the front bumper where I can then plug the lights into my tow vehicle . I have running lights, right and left turn, and stop lights. (just like a trailer)

To drill the holes in the metal for the lights, it was very easy to get the exact diameter using a step bit:
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I did my lights a little different. I used a three pole double throw toggle switch and used it in my turn signal and tail light circuits to switch the inputs of the rear lights from the Jeep to the motorhome. It actually works well and it worked out that when I switched to flush mount LED's in the back, I didn't have to do anything else as far as the towing lighting went.
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OK, got your setup done and it wasn't hard at all. It was harder fishing the wire through the frame than doing the light setup itself. Great idea. No magnetic lights to fall off and have to store. Everything on-board and hidden. Thanks
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I used one of these for flat towing. super simple plug and play.
I bought mine from etrailer and them bought a Reese towbar for $50 off Craigslist.

I prefer my 24' flat bed HD trailer to transport the Jeep but some campgrounds are too small for the trailer and the RV so I have to flat tow.



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When I bought my jeep this tow bar was already on the front. It also came with the Stay in Play Duo braking system that stays permanently mounted in the jeep. Just flip a toggle switch to activate it.

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