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Old 11-24-2009, 10:36 PM   #1
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Question Should I run 35's on a 3 inch suspension lift?

I have an 04 Wrangler with a 3 inch suspension lift, and I want to try to put 35 inch tires under it. I have new bumpers so that will not be a problem. Can this be done, and if so, will they affect my turning radius?
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Bumpers really have nothing to do with your tires. They slightly do, but the bigger issue youll run into is rubbing into your fenders and not enough backspacing. I actually dont think youll be able to fit those 35's unless you rip off the fenders and have 4" of backspacing? or 3.75". Turning Radius? well if you dont have enough backspacing and clearance for those tires, theyre not going to turn as far. You should get 4" suspension and 1" BL to accomodate for those 35" tires, not to mention SYE Kit, CV Driveshaft and a new rear axle, with regearing.

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will they fit, well probably. iv seen 33's shoved under a stock wrangler so yeah the 35's should fit under a 3" lift but i wouldnt even want to drive down a gravel road that way. i run 35's with a 5" lift and it still rubs a little when i flex it. i still have my normal turning radius but i run baja wheels with a 3.5" backspacing.

so can it be done, i guess. but with a 3" lift i would stick with 33's
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They will definately rub at full flex on the fenders. You'll need atleast a 1" BL to help with clearance but will still be close. Typically most run about a 4" w/ 1" BL.

Trickle effect: you'll need longer brake lines, SYE & Rear CV DS, Front & Rear gears,
What axle do you have.... if it's the D35, better pick-up some spare shafts for that just in case emergency, especially if you have a heavy foot when wheeling.

Your probably better off sticking with 33's unless your planning on doing more difficult trails.
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:02 PM   #5
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I'm going to be putting 35's under my 04 TJ with only 3 inches of lift. I am cutting the fenders though and am willing to add more lift if necessary. With stock fenders, I would not do it without more lift. Right now I'm leaning more toward fender/hood modifications and less toward more lift.
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35" tires are too tall for a 3" lift without adding substantial body modifications. In fact, for someone who offroads, 3" isn't really quite enough for even 33" tires, 4" of lift is recommended for 33" tires alone, let alone 3" for 35" tires. To have adequate clearance for 35" tires, you really want 5" if you're leaving the body unmodified. 4" maybe if it's strictly for street use.\

Understand that it takes $$$ and several mods to make a TJ ready for 35" tires, it's not just about creating enough clearance for the bigger tires.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:51 PM   #7
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Here's a thread about LCG builds that might help.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/lcg-...ity-22073.html

Also, the guys at Rokmen have built a couple LCG LJs on 37s and 40s with no more than 3" of lift I think. They also run short arms and flex like crazy.
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IMO such a LCG TJ doesnīt make sense.
The Jeep is way too low in the center.

This is a pic of my TJ with 4.5" with 35s. IMO thatīs not enough. For on road use only itīs ok.

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If you only use it one road as a daily drver it would work, but for offroad you won't be able to flex without rubbing
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Go 33s, as noted 35s will open up Pandora's Box
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Okay it sounds like 35's are not a good idea. I will probably put 33 Mickey Thompson MTZ's under it then. I really appreciate your input guys
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IMO such a LCG TJ doesnīt make sense.
The Jeep is way too low in the center.

This is a pic of my TJ with 4.5" with 35s. IMO thatīs not enough. For on road use only itīs ok.

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I have 6 inches of lift(7 actualy but it sagged over 5 years) and I run perfect





4 inch suspension, 3 inch body... you could do a 4 inch suspension and 2 inch body and be fine I think
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to be honast its not that bad, like do the math. a 35 duratrac wrangler is actaully a 34.6 inch tire on stock rims. stock jeep tires on my rubicon 04 are 30.5 new. if you put a 3.25 inch lift you would have almost the same clearnce as stock, dont let people tell you otherwise. I dont see the big issue either, I work in a garage myself. personally I am going to likely do a 3.25 inch lift with those 34.6 duratracs. think about it the tire only is 2-3 inchs higher up into your wheel well, do a 3 inch lift and you will be back to stock. Yes if your jeep isnt a rubicon, your gunna have other issues like gearn and stuff.
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and please someone tell me otherwise, I wish to hear your logic
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It seems to make sense, as long as your bump stop extension is 3.25" as well. So the lift would not get you any more articulation than stock....I think.

I may go to 35's someday, but it is several other issues/money for me....like changing rear ends to a D44, gears, brakes etc....
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and please someone tell me otherwise, I wish to hear your logic
Unless you install lengthy bumpstops those 35" tires will chew up your front fenders when disconnected. If you plan to use your rig as a grocery getter then I am sure the small lift and 35s will work fine.
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It's lack of experience from going offroad on trails difficult enough to require 35" tires to believe a 3" or 3.25" suspension lift is enough for 35" tires without also taking a sawzall to the fenders. Suspension lifts allow the axle to flex more and 35" tires are also wider so they have more opportunity to rub.

This is my rig with a 4" suspension lift and a 1" body lift... notice how my 35" tire is nearly touching the upper part of my flat fender that even provides substantially more clearance than the factory fenders do. The bump stop is preventing the tire from stuffing even higher.

I can't imagine trying to run 35's with only a 3-3.25" lift... that's something only an inexperienced Jeeper would recommend.
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It's simple lack of experience from going offroad on trails difficult enough to require 35" tires to believe a 3" or 3.25" suspension lift is enough without also taking a sawzall to the fenders. Suspension lifts allow the axle to flex more and 35" tires are also wider so they have more opportunity to rub.

This is my rig with a 4" suspension lift and a 1" body lift... notice how my 35" tire is nearly touching the upper part of my flat fender that even provides substantially more clearance than the factory fenders do. The bump stop is preventing the tire from stuffing even higher.

I can't imagine trying to run 35's with only a 3-3.25" lift... that' something only an inexperienced Jeeper would recommend.
What fenders are those Jerry, would 35's fit with Dpg Ultimate kit with those fenders?
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Those are Poison Spyder Defenders. I know nothing about the DPG Ultimate kit so I can't say one way or the other.
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I live in a swamp, I have no use for articulation, stock articulation is fine for me, add a 2 inch wheel spacer to prevent rubbing but I also do not intend on disconnecting my sway bar, so no my tire will not reach my fender and chew it like its hungry.
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I hope you see my point, its not because I am easy on my jeep off road, I'm actaully often doors deep in mud, If you don't rock climb, why would you need any more then stock articulation, so proving my point, also others seem to agree it makes sence that a 35 would run fine even off road on a 3 inch lift. I may be a noob to these forums but not to mechanical knowledge.
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The 35's might *fit*...but that don't mean you ain't gonna have issues! The leverage and additional torque are going to play hell on your shafts (I assume you do not have D44's?) and the gears are probably not up to it either. I guess the only way to find out is to go ahead and do it! Let us know how it went....hopefully you have AAA?
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I hope you see my point, its not because I am easy on my jeep off road, I'm actaully often doors deep in mud, If you don't rock climb, why would you need any more then stock articulation, so proving my point, also others seem to agree it makes sence that a 35 would run fine even off road on a 3 inch lift. I may be a noob to these forums but not to mechanical knowledge.
Unless what is under your mud that your tires sit on is always level, and you know that's seldom the case, you need axle flex/articulation. And you and I both know that it's seldom level under the surface of the mud when you're in soupy/muddy conditions.
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I hope you see my point, its not because I am easy on my jeep off road, I'm actaully often doors deep in mud, If you don't rock climb, why would you need any more then stock articulation, so proving my point, also others seem to agree it makes sence that a 35 would run fine even off road on a 3 inch lift. I may be a noob to these forums but not to mechanical knowledge.
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35's will definitely fit under a 3 inch suspension lift with stock fenders... How do I know? I just did it against everyones advise... However, Jerry knows what he is talking about, you really dont have much room for ant type of flexing. I dont wheel like he does in those pictures and really just ride trails thru the Ocala national forest sticking clear of mud now a days. I am 100% aware that my D35 will not hold up to the test of time with these 35s, however it is not my daily and my wife is of the mindset "if its not broke ... dont fix it". Therefore I need the rearend to go before I can put the 8.8 in it. My jeep drives fine on the street and off the pavement with it. The fear is breaking it out on a trail LOL
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Fenders and a 1 inch BL are in the near future. I am extremely happy with how it looks and performs but as stated I knew the risk going into it. I'll be back on here soon I'm sure asking for help with the 8.8 LOL
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my jeep is a rubicon 04 it has the dana 44s front and back, and the 4.10 gears. rubi users dont need to worry as much
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my jeep is a rubicon 04 it has the dana 44s front and back, and the 4.10 gears. rubi users dont need to worry as much
about what? from what I know the only thing they don't have to worry about is getting a fixed yoke rear t-case output.
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unlimitedlj04 maybe you should look at a gearing chart, 4.10s are actually more fuel economic then the bigger gears for 35s and are still able to carry 35s. that being said, I would not want to go higher then a 35. as i said before though its hard to find a true 35 most are only 34ish.
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unlimitedlj04 maybe you should look at a gearing chart, 4.10s are actually more fuel economic then the bigger gears for 35s and are still able to carry 35s.
First, UnlimitedLJ04 has a lot of experience and Wrangler expertise and your inexperience with Jeeps is showing.

Gearing charts can be and are indeed very misleading to the inexperienced. First, they don't show the RPMs you'll actually get on the highway, they show the RPMs you'll get when you're in the transmission's gear that provides a 1:1 ratio. That means 4th gear with the 5-speed transmission, 5th gear with the 6-speed transmission, or with the Overdrive turned off with the 4-speed automatic. Only gearing calculators can provide the actual RPMs you'll get on the highway.

And lower RPMs don't always equate to better MPG. You'll get worse MPG with 4.10 and 35's with the 5-speed than you would with 4.56 or 4.88 because the engine RPMs will be so low on the highway with only a 4.10 that the engine will be lugging. And there's not a transmission the factory put into a Wrangler TJ where 4.10 would be the appropriate axle ratio for 35" tires. Period.

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