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Old 11-25-2008, 01:30 AM   #1
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Should I suspension lift or body lift or both?

I just bought my first Jeep,98 sport,I6 with a 5speed.Im looking to lift the Jeep enough to fit 33" tires without any rubbing issues.Weather its a 3" suspension and a 2" body combo what do you recommend.I have about a $1000 budget for the lift,I want the smoothest ride possible,something close to stock or better(not that riding rough bothers me)I plan to do very mild offroading.Something that I can drive on the interstate to get to the trail spots.I know this is a newb question thats asked alot and I have read thru the forums alot before I decided to join this one.No matter where I read opinions vary.From all I read Rough Country is something Im looking to stay away from.In my opinion the stock Wrangler rides smooth.Also when I do a lift at what point is back spacing required?

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don't do just a body lift, they have no benefits other than you can fit bigger tires. if you are dead set on 33" tires than i would do the suspension/body lift combo. but you should look at jeeps with the body lift and see if you like the look or not. a 2" bl will give you a noticeable gap between the body and the frame. I have been a jeep with a 3" bl and the ride feels kind of unstable to me.

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Old 11-25-2008, 10:23 AM   #3
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x2 with the 2" BL, it makes it look strange. if you add a 1"-1.5" BL it doesn't have that much of a noticeable gap between the frame and the tub.
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This is a little over a grand and you'll have the best ride you can basically get. It also comes with the bl and you'll be able to clear your desired 33's. Good kit:
TJ Old Man Emu lift - Stage 3

More backspacing is gonna be required when you go to a tire that is 12.5" wide as a general rule of thumb. Id buy new wheels with around 4" of backspacing if you plan on getting a 33x12.5 tire.
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another vote against body lift.
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To fit 33" tires, you really need 4" of lift to provide adequate clearance. There's a big cost difference between a 3" suspension lift plus a 1" body lift and a pure 4" suspension lift where vibes are a bigger problem. At 4" of suspension lift, a SYE kit and CV driveshaft is really recommended which just for those added parts makes a 4" suspension a more expensive way to go.

To me, I'm no fan of 2" or 3" (especially) body lifts but I see nothing wrong with a 1" body lift. For 33" tires, it's hard to beat a 3" suspension lift plus a 1" body lift, especially since you gain a slightly lower center-of-gravity with that vs. a straight 4" suspension lift.

Of course if the added costs of a 4" suspension lift including the SYE kit and CV driveshaft are no issue, then that's a better way to go. At least in my personal opinion it is.
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This is a little over a grand and you'll have the best ride you can basically get. It also comes with the bl and you'll be able to clear your desired 33's. Good kit:
TJ Old Man Emu lift - Stage 3

More backspacing is gonna be required when you go to a tire that is 12.5" wide as a general rule of thumb. Id buy new wheels with around 4" of backspacing if you plan on getting a 33x12.5 tire.

Nice kit, this is simalur and a hair cheaper....

dpg offroad ultimate suspension system.

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I run a custom version of that kit. And it works nicely.
You can call and talk to Dirk about what your wheeling/lift needs are and he can help you decide just what coils you need with what mods you already have or willl have.(<--yes you can change out the coils in his kits with his coils the med duty ome or hd ome. and more.) Coil Rates is important to different needs.

Only thing I wish I changed about my custom kit I ordered is I should of paid the LITTLE bit extra and got the anti-rock. The JKS disco's are great but the anti-rock would of been better to what my plans are for my build.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:21 PM   #8
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I have 3" Full Traction lift, RE shocks, 1.25 BL on 33's and no complaints
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:38 PM   #9
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I have 3" Full Traction lift, RE shocks, 1.25 BL on 33's and no complaints
Thats the look im going for.How does she ride on the highway as compared to stock?Was there anything else needed that wasnt supplied in the kit?Any other mods?
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:41 PM   #10
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I like the ride. I do about 1000 miles a week highway. I have RE shocks, a little stiff, better then the skycrappers I had. I spent under 500 for the lift, 100 something for the BL and mml. Im on a po' mans budget
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:59 PM   #11
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Im ball'n on a budget.I saved $1000 just for a lift so im staying within that budget.Tires and rims will be next but since I cant get it all at once I gotta start somewheres.I figured the lift would be the best place.Bigger tires wont fit until its lifted.Im looking into BFG mud terrains at this time.I also picked up the TJ for 4grand....I coulda got it for $2500 but I didnt wanna feel like I was getting over on the guy(brother-in-law just wanted payoff price so I offered $4000).....sometimes being honest sucks,lol
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i believe i'm 3x or 4x on OME..
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i've never seen this kit, nor have i ever heard of any one running such an animal

I'd pass though, as cute as it looks, it doesnt even have a name... not something i'd like to run.
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That is a ZONE lift kit. They are fairly new to the business.
And for that price. If that is what your budget is more like go with the Full traction 3" lift. Full Traction has been around for a long time and has a good reputation. Also there 3" kit come with everything you really need such as a new front trackbar to recenter your front axle.

If your really looking to do this for under a grand I'd go with a set up like orangetj's.....
3" full traction lift
1.25 jks body lift
and a good set of shocks

That will let you flex well with 33's.
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That is a ZONE lift kit. They are fairly new to the business.
And for that price. If that is what your budget is more like go with the Full traction 3" lift. Full Traction has been around for a long time and has a good reputation. Also there 3" kit come with everything you really need such as a new front trackbar to recenter your front axle.

If your really looking to do this for under a grand I'd go with a set up like orangetj's.....
3" full traction lift
1.25 jks body lift
and a good set of shocks

That will let you flex well with 33's.
Yea i like orangetj's lift set up im just researching on whats out there.Im thinking on not doing the body lift and going with 31's
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If you want to build a low profile but very capable rig for fairly cheap then do what your saying. Get a small coil lift or even just do a bb. Then get some 31" mud terrains or the like and then install an aussie locker in your rear diff.
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Just so you know adding larger and heavier tires will change the way your Jeep performs. You won't be able to stop as fast, your Jeep will accelerate slower, and your speedometer will be off. You don't need to upgrade your brakes for 33" tires but while your doing the lift check out your brakes and make sure everything looks good. Depending on what gear ratio you have in your axles you may want to change them out. If you have 4.11 gears then 33's will be ok, but if it's any lower than that. If your going to go with a 12.5" wide tire then get 8" wide wheels with 3.75" backspacing.

As far as the lift goes, I don't suggest putting any more than a 1.25" body lift on your Jeep at the very most, any more than that and it starts to look like you have a body lift. If your just going for the looks of a big Jeep than you can put the 1.25" body lift and a 2" coil spacer lift with some good shocks, Old Man Emu makes good shocks. If you plan on taking this Jeep off road, save your money and buy a nice 4" lift with nice shocks. You don't absolutely need a SYE (Slip Yoke Eliminator) and CV (Constant Velocity) drive shaft with a 4 inch lift, but when you lift your Jeep it will put the drive shaft on a sharper angle and will cause some vibration, some kits come with a 1" transfer case drop to help combat the vibration, but that will take away from your ground clearance.

It really comes down to what your really going to be doing with your Jeep, are you going to be driving it on the expressway 99% of the time and playing in the mud once a month, or are your going to drive it on the street all week and beat the hell out of it off road on the weekends.

If it's 99% on the street, and your just going for the look, then buy a 1.25" body lift, a 2" coil spacer kit, 2" longer Old Man Emu shocks, 15x8 wheels with a 3.75" backspacing and a set of 33x12.5 BF Goodrich All Terrains.

If you want to beat the hell out of it off road then you really have 2 options, the first is to get a quality 4" lift with good shocks. (Do not buy a cheap lift with cheap shocks, your Jeep will ride like crap and you will not be happy.) If your going to do it right install the lift now and add the SYE and CV drive shaft later. Still go with the 15x8 wheels with the 3.75" backspacing but change to some more aggressive tires. Tire choice depends on what type of off roading you will be doing, mud, sand, rocks.

Your second choice is a quality 3" lift with good shocks and a 1.25" body lift, this will be cheaper, you don't need the SYE or CV drive shaft, you will want to drop the transfer case 1", you wont have as much ground clearance and your suspension wont flex as much but it will get the job done.

DPG Offroad puts together a good lift kit and with your budget I think you should go with them, here's a link to there kits:

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don't do just a body lift, they have no benefits other than you can fit bigger tires.
ooohh yes they do. BLs have benefits offroad.
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ooohh yes they do. BLs have benefits offroad.
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ooohh yes they do. BLs have benefits offroad.
What are the benefits of a body lift other than being able to fit larger tires and not raising the center of gravity as much as a suspension lift?

The only real benefits I see that a body lift has over a suspension lift is the cost.

You can't tell me you would rather have a 3" body lift and 2" coil spacers instead of a 5" Long Arm suspension lift.
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You can't tell me you would rather have a 3" body lift and 2" coil spacers instead of a 5" Long Arm suspension lift.
well if you can do a 5" long arm lift for under 600 bucks, i'll be glad to get one. And no 3" body lift is too much. i'd rather have the 3" coil and 2" body though.

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okay, when installing bigger tires you have to extend the bump stops, doesn't matter how much lift you have, you have to extend them otherwise they will rub. Let say you are running 33s. With 3" suspension lift, they will rub unless you extend the bump stops. Let say you install 6" suspension lift, they will still rub at full flex if you dont extend the bump stops (assuming the shocks dont bottom out first). Now let say you do the 3" suspension lift with a 2" body lift. Now the body lift give it 2 extra inches of room so you do not have to extend the bump stops to prevent rubbing therefore you get more flex. The end result of a body lift is, it indirectly increases flex.
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well if you can do a 5" long arm lift for under 600 bucks, i'll be glad to get one. And no 3" body lift is too much. i'd rather have the 3" coil and 2" body though.



okay, when installing bigger tires you have to extend the bump stops, doesn't matter how much lift you have, you have to extend them otherwise they will rub. Let say you are running 33s. With 3" suspension lift, they will rub unless you extend the bump stops. Let say you install 6" suspension lift, they will still rub at full flex if you dont extend the bump stops (assuming the shocks dont bottom out first). Now let say you do the 3" suspension lift with a 2" body lift. Now the body lift give it 2 extra inches of room so you do not have to extend the bump stops to prevent rubbing therefore you get more flex. The end result of a body lift is, it indirectly increases flex.
We both know I said the only real benefit of a body lift is the cost. You just proved my point saying that if I can find you a 6" long arm suspension lift for under $600 you would be all over it. So if the body lift is so much better and flexes so much better why would you want the 6" LA kit?

The 6" lift flexes more and you know it does, and that's the exact reason you need a longer bump stop, because it would flex so much that it would hit the top of the hood if you let it. When the bump stop stops the tire from hitting the fender on one side, the other tire is on the ground, instead of hanging in the air. That's flex.
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We both know I said the only real benefit of a body lift is the cost. You just proved my point saying that if I can find you a 6" long arm suspension lift for under $600 you would be all over it. So if the body lift is so much better and flexes so much better why would you want the 6" LA kit?
LoL, wrong, if i had 6" LA, i would still have my bl and go with even bigger tires. This is the reason why i would want a 6" LA kit.

The end result is a body lift gives you some more flex as you dont need to have precisely 5654235" of extended bump stops to keep your tires out of the flares. That room could also be achieved with removing and cutting the flares which is illegal in many states.
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LoL, wrong, if i had 6" LA, i would still have my bl and go with even bigger tires. This is the reason why i would want a 6" LA kit.

The end result is a body lift gives you some more flex as you dont need to have precisely 5654235" of extended bump stops to keep your tires out of the flares. That room could also be achieved with removing and cutting the flares which is illegal in many states.
hmmm, I'm going to have to say you havn't spent much time off road. Come back and post again when you get some mud on that Jeep.
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And with a body lift you don't gain any ground clearance, suspension lift you most certainly do. A body lift will help out with flex but not to the point of it being worth having a 3" BL.
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hmmm, I'm going to have to say you havn't spent much time off road. Come back and post again when you get some mud on that Jeep.
somebody get a bandaid, cuz that boy just got slashed. lol
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You guys have been very helpful,what do you think of this vid.I know its rough country but I like the way this TJ performs and looks if I choose the 31" tire route.Do other kits perform better than this?

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You guys have been very helpful,what do you think of this vid.I know its rough country but I like the way this TJ performs and looks if I choose the 31" tire route.Do other kits perform better than this?

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Looks good to me, but OME lifts seem to get the best reviews. I wish I had gone with it instead of the Pro Comp.

Also, I would stick to your plan of 33s. If you get 31s you'll be wanting to go bigger about 5 minutes after they're on.
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Also, I would stick to your plan of 33s. If you get 31s you'll be wanting to go bigger about 5 minutes after they're on.
2x on that. thats why i went with 35s from the start. The only thing i regret in my setup was going with the rough country lift kit.

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